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masukuma
#171 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:00:38 PM
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why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Alba
#172 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:00:56 PM
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hardwood wrote:
As I said earlier forgive and understand him. He is still in school and has all these manner of idealisms. Hire him (after he completes college) and ask him to get clients and business for the company and he will be singing a different tune. In the US they call it lobbying while in Kenya it's called canvasing or corruption. And whatever name they are given, they will get you to your monthly/annual targets.
Let this boy @alba complete college and then get into the real world. He will know that the real world is a different ball game, and not those idealistic academic class presentations.


You lot should stop making excuses by comparing Kenya to the US. In the US politicians actually go to jail for misappropriating tax payer money.

Lobbying is evil. And the US is indeed corrupt. But their corruption pales when compared to Kenya. According to the corruption perceptions index, Kenya is # 139 and USA is #16.

Also corruption does not have the impact on Americans that it does on Kenyans. In Kenya corruption hinders even the delivery of basic services like security. Just ask victims of Al Shabab.

Yes I admit it is idealistic to expect people not to be thieves. I really do not expect Kenyans to stop being thieves. But that will not stop me from calling a person a thief if he happens to be a thief. Just like I don't support Arsenal or Man U but I still discuss EPL when the subject comes up.

In Kenya, accepting stolen goods is against the law. Mutahi shoulda gone to jail at the very least for accepting the over-payment. He knew fully well he was being overpaid.

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Angelica _ann
#173 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:05:24 PM
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masukuma wrote:
why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?

Fun...... To promote his ignorance smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Kaigangio
#174 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:06:15 PM
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Alba wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
Guys, guys, guys!!! From what I have been reading on this thread, I have observed the following;
1. That this guy @alba despite so much literature on his posts, he obviously does not know anything about tenders and the tendering procedures within the government and parastatals and other private entities. He knows absolutely nothing!
2. Members obviously don't know how many types of tenders exist that are used to procure services.
3. Members seem to only know and not know so much of the post-contract activities and not the pre-contract ones. Very sad indeed.

Unless you people understand 2 and 3 above nobody will be able to judge Mutahi. In as far as I am concerned Mutahi is innocent all the way upto the money (payment). Overpayment is not a crime on the recipient, but a disadvantage to the payer.


You are posting garbage on wazua.

You don't have to know about tendering to know that there is something wrong when a political scientist who happens to be one of the biggest jubilee sycophant is given Ksh 90 million.

Just tell us what Ngunyi did to warrant all those payments.

You are the same type of people who were on wazua vehemently defending that other thief Ann Waiguru until she was proven to be a thief and had to resign.


@Alba, I don't post garbage like you are doing now without facts. OH YES, YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT TENDERING IN ORDER TO KNOW ABOUT A PAYMENT(S)TO BE DONE!!
Personally I am only interested in knowing whether (a) tendering was done or (b) prequalification exercise was carried out.

I suggest if you don't know about that basic concept of tendering, then you don't have any business lecturing us about a payment that was done. Just keep your theories to yourself. Otherwise you might end up being embarassed.

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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hardwood
#175 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:11:54 PM
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Alba wrote:
hardwood wrote:
As I said earlier forgive and understand him. He is still in school and has all these manner of idealisms. Hire him (after he completes college) and ask him to get clients and business for the company and he will be singing a different tune. In the US they call it lobbying while in Kenya it's called canvasing or corruption. And whatever name they are given, they will get you to your monthly/annual targets.
Let this boy @alba complete college and then get into the real world. He will know that the real world is a different ball game, and not those idealistic academic class presentations.


You lot should stop making excuses by comparing Kenya to the US. In the US politicians actually go to jail for misappropriating tax payer money.

Lobbying is evil. And the US is indeed corrupt. But their corruption pales when compared to Kenya. According to the corruption perceptions index, Kenya is # 139 and USA is #16.

Also corruption does not have the impact on Americans that it does on Kenyans. In Kenya corruption hinders even the delivery of basic services like security. Just ask victims of Al Shabab.

Yes I admit it is idealistic to expect people not to be thieves. I really do not expect Kenyans to stop being thieves. But that will not stop me from calling a person a thief if he happens to be a thief. Just like I don't support Arsenal or Man U but I still discuss EPL when the subject comes up.

In Kenya, accepting stolen goods is against the law. Mutahi shoulda gone to jail at the very least for accepting the over-payment. He knew fully well he was being overpaid.



What did you just say? Why should I go to jail just because some client put some cash into my bank account?

Also what if the "over payment" was a bonus for a job well done? FYI I get bonuses every December, all the time, but never sue my employer for the extra money.
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Kaigangio
#176 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:12:25 PM
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masukuma wrote:
why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You are very right @masukuma...it is a complete waste of precious time.
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Angelica _ann
#177 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:18:28 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
Kaigangio wrote:
masukuma wrote:
why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You are very right @masukuma...it is a complete waste of precious time.

Kwani you have never met his theoretical arguments before. Always Mr. Right even on topics so practical like this, he always brings his idealistic thinking.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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hardwood
#178 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:24:52 PM
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
Alba wrote:
hardwood wrote:
As I said earlier forgive and understand him. He is still in school and has all these manner of idealisms. Hire him (after he completes college) and ask him to get clients and business for the company and he will be singing a different tune. In the US they call it lobbying while in Kenya it's called canvasing or corruption. And whatever name they are given, they will get you to your monthly/annual targets.
Let this boy @alba complete college and then get into the real world. He will know that the real world is a different ball game, and not those idealistic academic class presentations.


You lot should stop making excuses by comparing Kenya to the US. In the US politicians actually go to jail for misappropriating tax payer money.

Lobbying is evil. And the US is indeed corrupt. But their corruption pales when compared to Kenya. According to the corruption perceptions index, Kenya is # 139 and USA is #16.

Also corruption does not have the impact on Americans that it does on Kenyans. In Kenya corruption hinders even the delivery of basic services like security. Just ask victims of Al Shabab.

Yes I admit it is idealistic to expect people not to be thieves. I really do not expect Kenyans to stop being thieves. But that will not stop me from calling a person a thief if he happens to be a thief. Just like I don't support Arsenal or Man U but I still discuss EPL when the subject comes up.

In Kenya, accepting stolen goods is against the law. Mutahi shoulda gone to jail at the very least for accepting the over-payment. He knew fully well he was being overpaid.



Instead of focusing on @Mutahi's "peanuts" for a job that was done, why dont you interrogate @AngelaAngwenyi's 300m for a job that no one knows whether it was ever done?
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Kaigangio
#179 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:25:24 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
masukuma wrote:
why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You are very right @masukuma...it is a complete waste of precious time.

Kwani you have never met his theoretical arguments before. Always Mr. Right even on topics so practical like this, he always brings his idealistic thinking.

I have have in recent past until today when he hit me with a bucket full of chiedhsmile
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Angelica _ann
#180 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:29:17 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
masukuma wrote:
why are we arguing with someone whose home page is brightermonday.co.ke?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly You are very right @masukuma...it is a complete waste of precious time.

Kwani you have never met his theoretical arguments before. Always Mr. Right even on topics so practical like this, he always brings his idealistic thinking.

I have have in recent past until today when he hit me with a bucket full of chiedhsmile

Strathmore gave him formal education with idealism with limited exposure to realism especially Kenya context.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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