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Apostle William Samoei Ruto
murchr
#201 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:59 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#202 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 7:15:43 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Kratos wrote:
Quote:
The law offers
remedies to a person
aggrieved by reputational injury from
defamat
ory publications.
In this
regard, t
he first and most important
thing to note is that a suit for
defamation
in Kenya
must be brought
w
ithin 12 months from the date on
which the defamatory
statement(s)
is
made
.
Also not that the case of the
aggrieved party is strengthened where
a person aggrieved by defamatory
statements
prior to filing an action in
court
require
s
the maker
of the
statement
complained of to retract the
statement
and
apologise
.
Such
retraction
a
n
d
or apology has to be
made with
the same prominence that
the statement complained of was
made.
The defence
s available where one is
accused of defamation
are justification,
fair comment, public interest, and
privilege/immunity.
For instance, l
aw
makers h
ave the immunity from
prosecution for statements made in the
course of their legislative duties
since
they have to execute their mandate
without fear of prosecution.
On the
other hand,
publishers of statements
that
may
be
perceived
to
be
defamatory
have
a
defence
if
publication was
due to public intere
st
or formed part of fair comment
which
is also closely related to justification
.
Fair comment has to be made in
utmost good faith and based on
substantiated facts.
A
person relying
on the aforesaid grounds as defence
for defamation has to prove the
justification,
good
faith
or
fair
comment
.


Am really trying to understand BM's end game here. I thought the onus is upon him to prove that indeed the DP was involved in any action that led to the demise of Juma. How do stories about being a "hustler" and the negative connotation that goes with that name among many other sideshows help his defence?
How does a counter suit that is not even related come into play?



Nope

The Plaintiff is William Samoei Ruto
The Defendant is Boniface Mwangi
The Plaintiff first proves his case and the Defendant tenders a defence.
A Counterclaim is what we call a suit within a suit.
After WSR calls his witnesses (and mind you he MUST testify) he will rest his case
BM will then call witnesses in his defence and simultaneously attempt to prove his case against WSR.The Court can either;Find for WSR
Dismiss the case against BM and find for BM or;
Dismiss both claims.
possunt quia posse videntur
keraka
#203 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:04:17 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 2/24/2010
Posts: 637
Location: Nairobi
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
murchr
#204 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:06:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
keraka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.


I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong

How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
Bree
#205 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:13:37 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/17/2008
Posts: 478
Location: Old Trafford
murchr wrote:
keraka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.


I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong

How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ?


Am also wondering the relevance, the learned friends here can enlighten
Swenani
#206 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:20:26 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
Bree wrote:
murchr wrote:
keraka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.


I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong

How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ?


Am also wondering the relevance, the learned friends here can enlighten


Stop wondering and start waxing
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
FRM2011
#207 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:31:59 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him



@murchr that's what I thought. Gitobu has seen something to keep him in the public domain. But then one of the articles reported mwangi's defence team includes constitutional lawyer wachira maina. The latter is one bright legal mind. Seems to me like the plan is to destroy wsr permanently. Mwangi is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things.
murchr
#208 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:34:07 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
FRM2011 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him



@murchr that's what I thought. Gitobu has seen something to keep him in the public domain. But then one of the articles reported mwangi's defence team includes constitutional lawyer wachira maina. The latter is one bright legal mind. Seems to me like the plan is to destroy wsr permanently. Mwangi is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things.


The constitutional lawyer -very anti-jubilee from his articles- could be there for the $$. Who says no to money?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
kaka2za
#209 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:43:12 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
murchr wrote:
keraka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.


I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong

How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ?


Not sure you believe what you wrote there. What political mileage can he gain being against the DP in a jubilee dominated area?
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
murchr
#210 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 8:45:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
kaka2za wrote:
murchr wrote:
keraka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
maka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Seems like this was the plan all along. From here maybe the tax returns, land registry records.

There is something about wrestling with a pig. Both of you will get dirty but one is enjoying.





Now this is witch hunting smile


Gitobu is looking for a job...but this is like many of his other antics eg Facing Mt Kenya...will backfire on him


Dont be bitter.Gitobu is already in a job n thats defending his client the best way he can, and btwn one of the ways is to prove that one Arap Machozi has no name to protect.


I have no reason to be bitter, but when I see foolishness I call it. Gitobu is looking at how he can get back to the August house. Wait for 2017 to prove me wrong

How does declaration of wealth got to do with the killing of JJ?


Not sure you believe what you wrote there. What political mileage can he gain being against the DP in a jubilee dominated area?


He knows he cannot win at home but he can be nominated.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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