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Apostle William Samoei Ruto
FRM2011
#181 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2016 12:25:36 PM
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http://www.nation.co.ke/...26512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.
keraka
#182 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2016 10:33:55 PM
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Location: Nairobi
FRM2011 wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/case-against-activist-could-turn-fatal-/1056-3426512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.


On this his legal team misled him or rather he bit more than he can chew.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
murchr
#183 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 12:13:04 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
keraka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/case-against-activist-could-turn-fatal-/1056-3426512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.


On this his legal team misled him or rather he bit more than he can chew.


You dont need to wait for maka.

Ever heard of "Double Jeopardy"? So anything NIS dossier on PEV is purely garbage.

Mwangi would only win IF Ruto threatened him. And he should prove that...hii ingine ni cinema tu. The law is clear. Wacha ma lawyer wakule pesa and as for Gitobu, the publicity is highly needed. He will be in the news for a while before running for some office in Meru.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#184 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 10:31:06 AM
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keraka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/case-against-activist-could-turn-fatal-/1056-3426512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.


On this his legal team misled him or rather he bit more than he can chew.



possunt quia posse videntur
Coolbull
#185 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 10:55:57 AM
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Mwangi has lost it. Hearsay is not admissible in court.

He has to prove Ruto killed Jacob Juma. Period. Issues of Muteshi, Langata School, KPA land is nonsense. The counter-suit is just a commercial-break.

Implicating someone in murder is a serious allegation, it is not the same as calling someone a chicken thief.

Wakili ni wale wale. They went to law school to earn money and any fool is a welcome client.
mkenyan
#186 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 12:00:09 PM
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Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,885
Coolbull wrote:
Mwangi has lost it. Hearsay is not admissible in court.

He has to prove Ruto killed Jacob Juma. Period. Issues of Muteshi, Langata School, KPA land is nonsense. The counter-suit is just a commercial-break.

Implicating someone in murder is a serious allegation, it is not the same as calling someone a chicken thief.

Wakili ni wale wale. They went to law school to earn money and any fool is a welcome client.

boniface mwangi probably knows exactly what he is doing. this is not a criminal case but a civil one. so what if ruto wins? i don't see the high awards for libel of days past being awarded to ruto here. but assuming he is awarded say kes 50m. so what? boniface mwangi would simply apply for bankruptcy and avoid paying. or go to civil jail for 3 months and come out. or use this to get a political asylum outside kenya. and this won't even deter others on social media from similar talks.

apart from the above, the counter claim by boniface mwangi is not just a commercial-break. if indeed it is true then we have a case where both may succeed and would have an effect on the damages awarded to each - maybe even materially affect the same.
alma1
#187 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 12:53:15 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
mkenyan wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
Mwangi has lost it. Hearsay is not admissible in court.

He has to prove Ruto killed Jacob Juma. Period. Issues of Muteshi, Langata School, KPA land is nonsense. The counter-suit is just a commercial-break.

Implicating someone in murder is a serious allegation, it is not the same as calling someone a chicken thief.

Wakili ni wale wale. They went to law school to earn money and any fool is a welcome client.

boniface mwangi probably knows exactly what he is doing. this is not a criminal case but a civil one. so what if ruto wins? i don't see the high awards for libel of days past being awarded to ruto here. but assuming he is awarded say kes 50m. so what? boniface mwangi would simply apply for bankruptcy and avoid paying. or go to civil jail for 3 months and come out. or use this to get a political asylum outside kenya. and this won't even deter others on social media from similar talks.

apart from the above, the counter claim by boniface mwangi is not just a commercial-break. if indeed it is true then we have a case where both may succeed and would have an effect on the damages awarded to each - maybe even materially affect the same.


I've seen the words double jeopardy and heresay being mentioned in a civil case.

If these are the lawyers he has, I guess someone is about to be very disappointed.

Mambo ingine kama Kibaki, una ignore.

Now look, Boniface is about to be very very popular with front page news about him for the next few years.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

FRM2011
#188 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 1:01:54 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
keraka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/case-against-activist-could-turn-fatal-/1056-3426512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.


On this his legal team misled him or rather he bit more than he can chew.



It's not about the legal battle at all. Ruto will win hands down. It's about trying wsr in the court of public opinion. Peeling off the mask if you will.

Imagine if wsr takes the stand and he is being pushed to answer some very uncomfortable questions.

Mr. Ruto you had to return the title of the land where procession way is built now to avoid prosecution ? Yes or no ?

Wsr : yes, but the land had been allocated to me by the commisioner of lands...

Lawyer : In short you had grabbed public land and were it not for the amnesty by the then govt you would have been prosecuted ?

This will be the best afro cinema.
What I would want to know is whether a judge would allow the defence to present evidence from NIS to link wsr to the grave charges of mass murder and forcible displacement of population.
Wa_ithaka
#189 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 5:38:57 PM
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Mwangi has now asked to see wealth declaration formsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
murchr
#190 Posted : Monday, October 24, 2016 6:07:17 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
FRM2011 wrote:
keraka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/case-against-activist-could-turn-fatal-/1056-3426512-o2lm1s/index.html

@maka, your services are needed here. We need to break this thing down. The moment I saw constitutional lawyer, wachira maina, is part of the defence team, I knew this will be interesting.

I hear they intend to unleash the NIS dossier on PeV to pin wsr down.


On this his legal team misled him or rather he bit more than he can chew.



It's not about the legal battle at all. Ruto will win hands down. It's about trying wsr in the court of public opinion. Peeling off the mask if you will.

Imagine if wsr takes the stand and he is being pushed to answer some very uncomfortable questions. Highly unlikely because he's not on trial. Mwangi's plea to have a case opened on WSR might be thrown out of court

Mr. Ruto you had to return the title of the land where procession way is built now to avoid prosecution ? Yes or no ? Ruto is not on trial

Wsr : yes, but the land had been allocated to me by the commisioner of lands...

Lawyer : In short you had grabbed public land and were it not for the amnesty by the then govt you would have been prosecuted ?

This will be the best afro cinema.
What I would want to know is whether a judge would allow the defence to present evidence from NIS to link wsr to the grave charges of mass murder and forcible displacement of population.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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