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astute
#1 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 10:17:51 AM
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fundamental or value investment is what is advocated for long term investors...it entails proper understanding of Financial Statements..this is what Warren Buffet uses....How many pple in Wazua use this strategy...does it work 4 u guyz???
guru267
#2 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 10:28:33 AM
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@astute I use fundamental analysis all the time and it works like a charm (not to toot my own horn)....
for a long term investor the balance sheet analysis is the most important of the financial statements to pick cheap babies in the market
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mukiha
#3 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 10:37:04 AM
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astute wrote:
fundamental or value investment is what is advocated for long term investors...it entails proper understanding of Financial Statements..

What does this mean - exactly & in simple language?
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the deal
#4 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 10:44:37 AM
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@ mukiha hehehe i dont know...maybe picking up cfcstanbic @ below 50 bob...
guru267
#5 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 10:49:46 AM
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mukiha wrote:
astute wrote:
fundamental or value investment is what is advocated for long term investors...it entails proper understanding of Financial Statements..

What does this mean - exactly & in simple language?


@mukiha value investment means buying cheap stocks that are mispriced by the market by analysing their financials
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mukiha
#6 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 11:02:09 AM
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guru267 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
astute wrote:
fundamental or value investment is what is advocated for long term investors...it entails proper understanding of Financial Statements..

What does this mean - exactly & in simple language?


@mukiha value investment means buying cheap stocks that are mispriced by the market by analysing their financials

And how do you go about that..."analysing their financials"?
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
guru267
#7 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 11:33:48 AM
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mukiha wrote:
And how do you go about that..."analysing their financials"?


@mukiha are you sure you dont know this??? one gets all the financial information from for example the balance sheet and comes up with the ratios for example debt to equity ratio, price to book value ratio, and then gauge these ratios according to what the market considers cheap or expensive...

A case in point for a good value investment can be unga group... this stock is EXTREMELY CHEAP at the moment if one uses fundamental analysis of its balance sheet or income statement to value its stock... i think it is seriously being mispriced by the market because of its volatile earnings and no dividend policy it has being pursuing....

if one of these variables changes then you can/will expect to see a major price movement on a counter trading with such un heard of ratios
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mukiha
#8 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 11:56:53 AM
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guru267 wrote:
mukiha wrote:
And how do you go about that..."analysing their financials"?


@mukiha are you sure you dont know this??? one gets all the financial information from for example the balance sheet and comes up with the ratios for example debt to equity ratio, price to book value ratio, and then gauge these ratios according to what the market considers cheap or expensive...

SO, what values of these ratios does the NSE "consider cheap"?
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kenstat
#9 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 12:05:48 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@astute I use fundamental analysis all the time and it works like a charm (not to toot my own horn)....
for a long term investor the balance sheet analysis is the most important of the financial statements to pick cheap babies in the market


You cannot truely value a stock by simly using the balance sheet. In fact the balance sheet is the least important of the three statements in terms of information. The balance sheet will capture the inflows and outflows into the business lakini there are various ways ala enron companys use to keep important information from the raia.

Look at the income statement to see if the company is producing profits. Then look at the cashflow statement to see if the have liquid cash. This will also tell you the source of the cash. If it's from operations, thats great. If it from investing activities, there maybe issues. For example, KQs cash should come mostly from selling tickets, not selling old planes.

At the end of the day, you have to discount free cash flows to the present to get the intrinsic value of the stock. Then compare that to what the market value of the stock is. BUT, unfortunately for a young market like ours, we don't all have the same information. You may do all this analysis, buy a stock based on sound judgement but we know the regulators sleep on the job, and some relevent information will come to light rendering all your analysis useless kabisa.
guru267
#10 Posted : Monday, May 03, 2010 12:22:46 PM
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mukiha wrote:
SO, what values of these ratios does the NSE "consider cheap"?


@mukiha we all know how inefficient the NSE operates because of the serious lack of flow of information and very narrow choice of stock so its hard to gauge what the NSE calls cheap or expensive....

in my books price to book value of less than 1 is cheap for a stock since one is buying at less than the intrinsic value of the company...

debt to equity of less than 0.5 can make it cheap since debt is fairly manageable...

P/E of 8 or less since this leaves room for little downside risks but also alot of room for high upside returns..

a stock can also be cheap if dividend yield is higher than the inflation rate...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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