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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
maka
#6101 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:04:11 AM
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Chaka wrote:
Guests?


HOTAC...this are the things the hotel guys pray for...
possunt quia posse videntur
Bree
#6102 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:36:11 AM
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maka wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Guests?


HOTAC...this are the things the hotel guys pray for...

Where some leaders are also part of the 'hotel guys'. A while back, all pax for a flight to Mombasa were checked in Panari at 2am, picked up same day at 4am because their flight was ready, hadn't even settled in the room when boarding call was made. Laughing out loudly

maka
#6103 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:18:29 PM
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Bree wrote:
maka wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Guests?


HOTAC...this are the things the hotel guys pray for...

Where some leaders are also part of the 'hotel guys'. A while back, all pax for a flight to Mombasa were checked in Panari at 2am, picked up same day at 4am because their flight was ready, hadn't even settled in the room when boarding call was made. Laughing out loudly



Its a tough life...
possunt quia posse videntur
Spikes
#6104 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:29:52 PM
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Bree wrote:
maka wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Guests?


HOTAC...this are the things the hotel guys pray for...

Where some leaders are also part of the 'hotel guys'. A while back, all pax for a flight to Mombasa were checked in Panari at 2am, picked up same day at 4am because their flight was ready, hadn't even settled in the room when boarding call was made. Laughing out loudly





The corruption at KQ is bigger than ordinary taxpayer's imagination. Punda amechoka jameni!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#6105 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:35:39 PM
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The media has muscled the power of a pen to keep investors informed on the crap(KQ) novice individuals are busy buying.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#6106 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:59:58 PM
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Spikes wrote:
The media has muscled the power of a pen to keep investors informed on the crap(KQ) novice individuals are busy buying.

You are very intelligent. I salute you for observing that KQ is a shoddy investment. Meanwhile, BP emptied fuel into the ocean, Boeing made aircraft with faulty batteries, VW tampered with the emission rating, Samsung made exploding phones, Simba was hit by Triton, Safaricom top management bought land at inflated costs.. The firms all remain robust and revered.. Ngunze is poor at PR and overall media relations.. That is his only flaw

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
maka
#6107 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:20:45 PM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
The media has muscled the power of a pen to keep investors informed on the crap(KQ) novice individuals are busy buying.

You are very intelligent. I salute you for observing that KQ is a shoddy investment. Meanwhile, BP emptied fuel into the ocean, Boeing made aircraft with faulty batteries, VW tampered with the emission rating, Samsung made exploding phones, Simba was hit by Triton, Safaricom top management bought land at inflated costs.. The firms all remain robust and revered.. Ngunze is poor at PR and overall media relations.. That is his only flaw


smile
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#6108 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:29:09 PM
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Does Ngunze need another PR chap?
Coz just like Ngunze, @VVS is ready & willing to reap where he hasn't sown! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#6109 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50:04 PM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
The media has muscled the power of a pen to keep investors informed on the crap(KQ) novice individuals are busy buying.

You are very intelligent. I salute you for observing that KQ is a shoddy investment. Meanwhile, BP emptied fuel into the ocean, Boeing made aircraft with faulty batteries, VW tampered with the emission rating, Samsung made exploding phones, Simba was hit by Triton, Safaricom top management bought land at inflated costs.. The firms all remain robust and revered.. Ngunze is poor at PR and overall media relations.. That is his only flaw


smile


Poor in management, period!!!!!!!!!
Spikes
#6110 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:47:00 PM
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Breaking news: Emirates embarks on poaching spree,KQ engineers.



http://www.businessdaily...880-11c2o7nz/index.html



John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
maka
#6111 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:00:40 PM
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Spikes wrote:


Breaking news: Emirates embarks on poaching spree,KQ engineers.



http://www.businessdaily...880-11c2o7nz/index.html



My very good friend has been given an awesome offer by Qatar...interesting thing is he turned it down till manenos stabilise at KQ
possunt quia posse videntur
murchr
#6112 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:02:56 PM
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Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#6113 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:26:08 PM
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murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff
possunt quia posse videntur
murchr
#6114 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:58:40 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff


1. When their services are terminated, will the pilots be in solidarity with them?
2. If they want to be "permanent and pensionable" shouldn't they ask their employer?
3. What amounts to being treated well?

The genesis of worker problems in Kenya is this thing called "permanent and pensionable", it breeds complacency. Look at the public sector and you will find the evidence in plenty. Its every employees obligation to keep a job and its not a RIGHT to have one. If you are in the service industry you should work so hard to keep your customers coming. Those passengers don't care who is in management, they are cursing and planning to not ever fly KQ again. I have said b4 and I will say it again, KQ's issues are being prolonged by the employees - staff/contractors. Their main management problem was not having a plan B an C after being let down by Boeing, but these employees have to work with management without inconveniencing others.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#6115 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:22:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff


1. When their services are terminated, will the pilots be in solidarity with them?
2. If they want to be "permanent and pensionable" shouldn't they ask their employer?
3. What amounts to being treated well?

The genesis of worker problems in Kenya is this thing called "permanent and pensionable", it breeds complacency. Look at the public sector and you will find the evidence in plenty. Its every employees obligation to keep a job and its not a RIGHT to have one. If you are in the service industry you should work so hard to keep your customers coming. Those passengers don't care who is in management, they are cursing and planning to not ever fly KQ again. I have said b4 and I will say it again, KQ's issues are being prolonged by the employees - staff/contractors. Their main management problem was not having a plan B an C after being let down by Boeing, but these employees have to work with management without inconveniencing others.

When the shit (genuinely) hits the fan, most employees will bail leaving the employers (shareholders) high and dry.

Why didn't the pilots [who are very well compensated] take up a significant stake in KQ? [BTW, neither did the Management or Board] Did they, like Naikuni & friends, want steady and hefty pay packages and not the variable dividends?
[No, GoK doesn't count as a skin-in-the-game shareholder.]

KQ was an avenue to make everyone BUT the shareholder any money. Warren Buffett talks about "skin in the game"

Except for KenRe [& I have on many occasions explained why I am in it and that I would bail if I felt uncomfortable] all the other investees have a significant ownership by the Board and/or Management.

Unga - Ndegwas won 50%+. Andrew Ndegwa is on the board and he has his people [Chairperson who is also a director in NIC]. Seaboard has seconded the CEO, Nick Hutchinson.

I&M - The Shahs won 30%+. Sarit Shah is the 'Executive Director' while his brother is a director. His father (& founder) is the Chairman of the Bank. The Holding entity is chaired by Ndonye. Sarit is also on the board of the subsidiaries. They have their eyes.

KenolKobil - I think Biwott's family have their people on the board. Ohana is a blue-eyed (Jewish) chap. (One of) Biwott's wife is Jewish. Coincidence? Nevertheless, as we saw with Segman, as good a manager he was, greed can be a huge problem with the derivatives.

That said, with KK's fall in price/value Segman did suffer since he had options which were about 4% of the company had they been exercised. That's 60mn shares.

TPSEA/Serena: The Aga Khan (& Ismaili Community) with 50%+ have their people watching the biashara. As they do at DTB and Jubilee.

Williamson/Kapchorua: The Magors (60%+) have their people + the father and son are on the board.

Car & General: Vijay Gidoomal is the CEO. The family owns 30%+ of the firm from what I understand.

Do note then there are crooks like Michael Matu of Olympia and Merali [Sasini, Firestone, Eveready] who own huge stakes in the firms they run but have siphoned out more than they would lose.

At the end of the day... the employee is there for himself. The shareholder is there for himself. You protect YOUR livelihood over all others.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#6116 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:35:19 PM
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What the wise man does in the beginning the fool does in the end - Warren Buffett
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
muandiwambeu
#6117 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:42:36 PM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff


1. When their services are terminated, will the pilots be in solidarity with them?
2. If they want to be "permanent and pensionable" shouldn't they ask their employer?
3. What amounts to being treated well?

The genesis of worker problems in Kenya is this thing called "permanent and pensionable", it breeds complacency. Look at the public sector and you will find the evidence in plenty. Its every employees obligation to keep a job and its not a RIGHT to have one. If you are in the service industry you should work so hard to keep your customers coming. Those passengers don't care who is in management, they are cursing and planning to not ever fly KQ again. I have said b4 and I will say it again, KQ's issues are being prolonged by the employees - staff/contractors. Their main management problem was not having a plan B an C after being let down by Boeing, but these employees have to work with management without inconveniencing others.

you made my night @muchur. permanent and pensionable is simply a pyschological agreement between the employer and employee by extension. if need be, an employee will be sent packing with a three months notice iregardless of employment status. employees work very hard, even in public sector if motivated to do so. motivation does not surmount to good salary by the end of the month, it may be penalising non performing employees who make the work of other employees so hard, and as such may it be as seen by the pilots, that Ngunze, has reached maximum penalties and warnings permitable that the soldier pilot prayer to grant a sack ought to be dispensed with without further delay.
mti mkuu ukianguka, nyoni uwa matatani. without good leadership, shareholders wealth got burnt to recognition.
A general lives to the honour, of leading the soldiers into mighty battle fronts, but ultimately, a soldier will save the people the burden of a failed general. Accolades to Duale.
let the best win, for the sake of KQ......d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! Pray Pray
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
murchr
#6118 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 12:17:39 AM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff


1. When their services are terminated, will the pilots be in solidarity with them?
2. If they want to be "permanent and pensionable" shouldn't they ask their employer?
3. What amounts to being treated well?

The genesis of worker problems in Kenya is this thing called "permanent and pensionable", it breeds complacency. Look at the public sector and you will find the evidence in plenty. Its every employees obligation to keep a job and its not a RIGHT to have one. If you are in the service industry you should work so hard to keep your customers coming. Those passengers don't care who is in management, they are cursing and planning to not ever fly KQ again. I have said b4 and I will say it again, KQ's issues are being prolonged by the employees - staff/contractors. Their main management problem was not having a plan B an C after being let down by Boeing, but these employees have to work with management without inconveniencing others.

you made my night @muchur. permanent and pensionable is simply a pyschological agreement between the employer and employee by extension. if need be, an employee will be sent packing with a three months notice iregardless of employment status. employees work very hard, even in public sector if motivated to do so. motivation does not surmount to good salary by the end of the month, it may be penalising non performing employees who make the work of other employees so hard, and as such may it be as seen by the pilots, that Ngunze, has reached maximum penalties and warnings permitable that the soldier pilot prayer to grant a sack ought to be dispensed with without further delay.
mti mkuu ukianguka, nyoni uwa matatani. without good leadership, shareholders wealth got burnt to recognition.
A general lives to the honour, of leading the soldiers into mighty battle fronts, but ultimately, a soldier will save the people the burden of a failed general. Accolades to Duale.
let the best win, for the sake of KQ......d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! Pray Pray


Permanent and pensionable in Kenya is nothing like what you have in the west @muandi. In Kenya "employment at will" is non-existent, companies like Ericsson have tried to fire people and they have been taken to court because of archaic labor laws.

As for a very hardworking public service - I have no comment since I don't know what Kenya you are talking about but anyway, if anything those outsourced companies should choose whether to make their employees permanent and pensionable and not KQ. KQ is just sourcing their service what they expect is just the service as described on the contract terms not the baggage that comes with it. Now KQ can sue these outsourcing companies for breach of contract.

Business Daily wrote:
The sub-contracted non-unionised workers, who include ground and cabin crew, have been demanding better employment conditions, having been outsourced from an independent firm, Career Directions. The workers’ representatives said the quest for equal pay, medical benefits, allowances and pension terms availed to their counterparts on KQ’s payroll is at the centre of the dispute.



"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ArrestedDev
#6119 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 2:45:22 AM
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maka wrote:
Spikes wrote:


Breaking news: Emirates embarks on poaching spree,KQ engineers.



http://www.businessdaily...880-11c2o7nz/index.html



My very good friend has been given an awesome offer by Qatar...interesting thing is he turned it down till manenos stabilise at KQ


The offer is good on paper. Your friend took the best decision. Cost of living is very high, very hot, shifts at crazy hours, visa and so many other restrictions,etc.
ArrestedDev
#6120 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 3:09:21 AM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Truth be told, i wouldn't fly KQ because of the staff. Outsourced employees have no business asking for a change in leadership.


(1) In solidarity with the pilots
(2) They want to be permanent and pensionable
(3) Stories of not being treated as well as the other staff


1. When their services are terminated, will the pilots be in solidarity with them?
2. If they want to be "permanent and pensionable" shouldn't they ask their employer?
3. What amounts to being treated well?

The genesis of worker problems in Kenya is this thing called "permanent and pensionable", it breeds complacency. Look at the public sector and you will find the evidence in plenty. Its every employees obligation to keep a job and its not a RIGHT to have one. If you are in the service industry you should work so hard to keep your customers coming. Those passengers don't care who is in management, they are cursing and planning to not ever fly KQ again. I have said b4 and I will say it again, KQ's issues are being prolonged by the employees - staff/contractors. Their main management problem was not having a plan B an C after being let down by Boeing, but these employees have to work with management without inconveniencing others.


The issues at KQ are more deeper than just working with the management. This stupid outsourcing of cabin crew was a brain child of Ngunze backed by Naikuni. There was nothing like this before the 2012. Ngunze and Naikuni are raking in kickbacks through this arrangement until now. This outsourcing ended up costing the Co. an arm and leg. The facts are out in the public domain. The owners of this Co.s are known.

The stupid decisions they took are now haunting them to the detriment of the Company. In-flight staff especially Cabin crew are the face of the airline. The company should be in control of them and not through another shell company that does not know what an airline business is. The main reason why KQ product has deteriorated is because of this arrangement where the management does not have say when it comes to cabin crew.

What's the argument about lower cadre staff being permanent and pensionable. Managers and the directors are the ones who should be on contract. Look at who is engaging in fraud, are they not the managers and the directors? Lower cadre staff are doing their job and if some are engaging in fraud then they are copying from the managers.

The genesis of all the issues in KQ emanates from the senior management and not lower cadre staff and pilots. Let's not be fooled by anyone. They hide their stupid and shallow decisions by blaming employees and you buy their arguments?

When senior managers ran out of ideas and instead of resigning they turn their guns on staff.
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