Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:[quote=Am][quote=Pedes]What I want the inquiry to unearth to detail is who gave the order for the army to go to Westgate. The two Recce and KDF cannot operate within he same vicinity more so in closed combat, because their tactic and training are different. May that's what even led to Munene's death. Munene is who? Special forces team leader Martin Munene...a case of "friendly fire" so sad... I came across this.... http://nairobiexposed.bl...ns-recce-squad.html?m=1[/quote] Ei people Such half baked gutter stories delivered in poor English again.. 'Toka Toka' my foot!! It took higher calls and an Angry RECCE storm out. As for the Nation media article.. i dont think they have the times right.. I thought recce moved out when it was still day light. The part about the friendly fire? did it really happen late in the night? we have pictures of one Recce squad member being carried out by his colleagues. It was still daylight. That nation article is also hogwash. the journalist should have done more research. Coolio are you RECCE or in the line to join? ama wewe ni GSU tu Kudos in order then.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/14/2012 Posts: 577 Location: Nairobi Kenya
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KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
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YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/14/2012 Posts: 577 Location: Nairobi Kenya
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InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. exactly! I read on DN some days back that when the Israeli team arrived they refused to work with KDF since it was not a job for the Army. The recce team could have ended this on Day 1 but someone somewhere thought to take advantage of the situation. Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
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YoungMulla wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. exactly! I read on DN some days back that when the Israeli team arrived they refused to work with KDF since it was not a job for the Army. The recce team could have ended this on Day 1 but someone somewhere thought to take advantage of the situation. This someone still has a job and will be attending a Jubilee function near you. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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YoungMulla wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. exactly! I read on DN some days back that when the Israeli team arrived they refused to work with KDF since it was not a job for the Army. The recce team could have ended this on Day 1 but someone somewhere thought to take advantage of the situation. Who invited the Israelis, that's one thing i haven't really been able to figure out...
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InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. According to Katiba Parliament has the say in that. Ama amendments happened some night in parliament? If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Pedes wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. According to Katiba Parliament has the say in that. Ama amendments happened some night in parliament? Ndo utajua kuna katiba na kuna wenye nchi.. The whole failure is courtesy of cronies and 'we are the government!' attitude. Sadly somebody took a demotion. But do we ever learn?
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poundfoolish wrote:Pedes wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:YoungMulla wrote:KDF should not have been involved in this mess at all, all they did was loot, create a big mess and generate huge publicity (read political sympathy). The recce team is trained for this sort of thing, urban warfare is their forte.When I saw the recce team enter westgate I knew the situation would be contained in no time, then KDF happened and this mess spilled over days. So pissed!! Karangi should go!!! Who ordered KDF to join? Karangi? Ole Lenku? Kimemia? UK? That was so amateurish. I can imagine regular police guys being called to join KDF in Somalia. People should stay in their lanes - unless when overtaking. According to Katiba Parliament has the say in that. Ama amendments happened some night in parliament? Ndo utajua kuna katiba na kuna wenye nchi.. The whole failure is courtesy of cronies and 'we are the government!' attitude. Sadly somebody took a demotion. But do we ever learn? They were moved to a different department. It's like a farmer taking a rotten tomatoe from his basket. Instead of throwing it away, he places the tomato in another corner of the basket. What would you think of such a farmer? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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TAZ wrote:
Who invited the Israelis, that's one thing i haven't really been able to figure out...
their MO requires them to be on the scene within a day of a major terrorist event hitting a friendly country. they are actually required to be on standby and not join in the rock n roll fireworks unless the host govt asks for their assistance. To avoid confusion, UK had very clearly said it was Kenyan forces who were i/charge, so it was our Ops - the good, the bad and the ugly of it. All, please realise that even if a proper forensic investigation will be undertaken and report made public, we civvies will never 100% know what actually transpired at westgate - yaani our right to know will be outweighed by our need-to-know! Maybe some future wiki-leaks will let us know what actually transpired; or we wait for them to declassify the files after kindu thaate yrs. 
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History "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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The seeds of discord were trully planted early Quote:In the file marked "top secret" the two also proposed that the unit be trained by the British special Air Services and should be made up of Kikuyus only   Quote:"5 There is a permanent police guard at the house in Gatundu where he usually sleeps and spends weekends .There are also 12 private thugs also armed by the police who live in his compound. Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Museveni wrote: Quote:"5 There is a permanent police guard at the house in Gatundu where he usually sleeps and spends weekends .There are also 12 private thugs also armed by the police who live in his compound. So these thugs started them days  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Somewhere the thugs joined the police to arm themselves! yani hiyo sio typo?
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