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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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What about proportions @hardwood?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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No sympathy. SA whites are getting what has been coming to them. They have now resorted to acquiring franchise rights for the entire african continent for most of the Multinationals then moving their incompetent white staff to run operations in "Efrica" (thats what they call every other country in Africa thats not SA). "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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South African economy is crumbling. Things are very thick for the majority of the people regardless of the race.Most of my south african friends in Kenya have no intention of going back.The wazungu beggars have been there for a while.I saw some coming to borrow money at Mac D and it was shocking.Grind knows no race. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:South African economy is crumbling. Things are very thick for the majority of the people regardless of the race.Most of my south african friends in Kenya have no intention of going back.The wazungu beggars have been there for a while.I saw some coming to borrow money at Mac D and it was shocking.Grind knows no race.
there is literally nothing that prepares you for this shock!! it hits you like a stone. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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masukuma wrote:PeterReborn wrote:South African economy is crumbling. Things are very thick for the majority of the people regardless of the race.Most of my south african friends in Kenya have no intention of going back.The wazungu beggars have been there for a while.I saw some coming to borrow money at Mac D and it was shocking.Grind knows no race.
there is literally nothing that prepares you for this shock!! it hits you like a stone. I think it is because of the way we were socialised.The mentality is wazungus have a lot of money.Have you seen the stories about how the villagers behave when their daughter is married by a mzungu.No wonder wazungus have it easy to pick kenyan women pale black diamond. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:masukuma wrote:PeterReborn wrote:South African economy is crumbling. Things are very thick for the majority of the people regardless of the race.Most of my south african friends in Kenya have no intention of going back.The wazungu beggars have been there for a while.I saw some coming to borrow money at Mac D and it was shocking.Grind knows no race.
there is literally nothing that prepares you for this shock!! it hits you like a stone. I think it is because of the way we were socialised.The mentality is wazungus have a lot of money.Have you seen the stories about how the villagers behave when their daughter is married by a mzungu.No wonder wazungus have it easy to pick kenyan women pale black diamond. yeah - it's all about socialization. that's why socialization(culture) to me is the strongest human force. we automatically think because mtu amekosa melanin - ako poa!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:No sympathy. SA whites are getting what has been coming to them.
They have now resorted to acquiring franchise rights for the entire african continent for most of the Multinationals then moving their incompetent white staff to run operations in "Efrica" (thats what they call every other country in Africa thats not SA). Being a White person in Africa is a big headstart in most businesses. People are more likely to trust the Caucasian more than any other race. They're even being hired as fronts for certain companies..just for the image SA whites got a lot of job opportunities in apartheid regime including in their army that was always fighting in other countries
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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I can say with a lot of authority that whites still dominate the economy in SA. . The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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ZZE123 wrote:I can say with a lot of authority that whites still dominate the economy in SA. . of course they do!! @hardwood is just crying over a couple of poverty cases of white people living in poverty as if they are some elevated race... that simply based on their skin they should not suffer like everyone else. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:ZZE123 wrote:I can say with a lot of authority that whites still dominate the economy in SA. . of course they do!! @hardwood is just crying over a couple of poverty cases of white people living in poverty as if they are some elevated race... that simply based on their skin they should not suffer like everyone else. aweke stats by race tuone. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:ZZE123 wrote:I can say with a lot of authority that whites still dominate the economy in SA. . of course they do!! @hardwood is just crying over a couple of poverty cases of white people living in poverty as if they are some elevated race... that simply based on their skin they should not suffer like everyone else. aweke stats by race tuone. He has no stats.Just a few photos of some wazungus staying in the slums.Of course Hardwood comes from the school of thought that wazungus are superior than Waafrika and have a lot of money while the blacks should be the ones living in the slums. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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There are currently 430,00 whites living in the slums. Any society would be gravely worried when such a huge number of people move from the middle and upper class to the slum dwelling class in just 20yrs. And they have been pushed to poverty by the govt system that bans them from holding jobs in the govt and private sector, where business have been ordered to hire only blacks. For your information the population of kibera slum, a slum that shocks the whole world, is 170,000 people as per the last Kenya census ( (LINK). What is funny about SA is that the whites are considered foreigners despite having settled in SA in 1600s, long before zulus immigrated from the congo forest, basically meaning the zulu are the foreigners. Infact the white settlers of the Cape first came face to face with the Bantu around 1770 on the banks of the Great Fish River, 120 years after Van Riebeeck settled at the Cape, and they encountered the bantus 1000 km east of Cape Town. Also the boers were conquered and defeated by the british in 1890's (when kenya was also colonised) and boers were given "uhuru" by britain in 1961. Quote: Sitting in a deck chair at a white South African squatter camp, Ann le Roux, 60, holds a yellowing photo from her daughter’s wedding day.
Taken not long after Nelson Mandela became the country’s first black president in 1994, it shows Le Roux standing with her Afrikaans husband and their daughter outside their home in Melville, an upmarket Johannesburg neighborhood.
Sixteen years later, she lives in a caravan and a tent shared with seven other people, including her daughter and four grandchildren, at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans.
She is one of a growing number of whites living below the poverty line in South Africa who blame affirmative action and the ANC-led elected government for their plight.
Le Roux had to sell her house after her husband died and she lost her job as a secretary at the city planning council — where she had worked for 26 years — after she took time off work to recover from the loss of her husband.
“They wouldn’t take me back because of the political situation,” she says, looking down at the fading photo.
“Our color here is not the right color now in South Africa,” Le Roux says, echoing the complaint of many impoverished whites, mostly Afrikaners who are descendants of early Dutch and French settlers.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Interesting point, especially if one puts aside the race goggles. Quote: ... Any society would be gravely worried when such a huge number of people move from the middle and upper class to the slum dwelling class in just 20yrs. ...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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hardwood wrote:There are currently 430,00 whites living in the slums. Any society would be gravely worried when such a huge number of people move from the middle and upper class to the slum dwelling class in just 20yrs. And they have been pushed to poverty by the govt system that bans them from holding jobs in the govt and private sector, where business have been ordered to hire only blacks. For your information the population of kibera slum, a slum that shocks the whole world, is 170,000 people as per the last Kenya census ( (LINK). What is funny about SA is that the whites are considered foreigners despite having settled in SA in 1600s, long before zulus immigrated from the congo forest, basically meaning the zulu are the foreigners. Infact the white settlers of the Cape first came face to face with the Bantu around 1770 on the banks of the Great Fish River, 120 years after Van Riebeeck settled at the Cape, and they encountered the bantus 1000 km east of Cape Town. Also the boers were conquered and defeated by the british in 1890's (when kenya was also colonised) and boers were given "uhuru" by britain in 1961. Quote: Sitting in a deck chair at a white South African squatter camp, Ann le Roux, 60, holds a yellowing photo from her daughter’s wedding day.
Taken not long after Nelson Mandela became the country’s first black president in 1994, it shows Le Roux standing with her Afrikaans husband and their daughter outside their home in Melville, an upmarket Johannesburg neighborhood.
Sixteen years later, she lives in a caravan and a tent shared with seven other people, including her daughter and four grandchildren, at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans.
She is one of a growing number of whites living below the poverty line in South Africa who blame affirmative action and the ANC-led elected government for their plight.
Le Roux had to sell her house after her husband died and she lost her job as a secretary at the city planning council — where she had worked for 26 years — after she took time off work to recover from the loss of her husband.
“They wouldn’t take me back because of the political situation,” she says, looking down at the fading photo.
“Our color here is not the right color now in South Africa,” Le Roux says, echoing the complaint of many impoverished whites, mostly Afrikaners who are descendants of early Dutch and French settlers.
Quote:Do 400,000 whites live in squatter camps in South Africa, as claimed in a recent BBC report. Are there really 80 “white squatter camps” dotted around Pretoria? The answer to both is no. Quote:South Africa's 2011 census figures suggest that 7754 white households live in informal settlements. Assuming that an average household consists of four people, which is slightly higher than the national average of 3.6 used in the 2011 Census, it would mean that there were around 31,000 whites living in informal settlements. Quote:Raw data compiled for the 2011 Census backs up the picture painted by the General Household Survey. Using StatsSA’s online tools it is possible to isolate specific population groups within the datasets and the results are revealing.
According to those figures 1,868,325 “black African” households lived in shacks, informal settlements, caravans or tents at the time of the census. Something else, you have said that the whites arrived in SA before the blacks, is it similar to how Columbus "discovered" America, is it a case of the victor writing history ? I don't understand the fascination with white people being poor. You should visit Trumpland and see for yourself where majority of the poor whites live in rural settings while the poor minorities live in urban settings. White people can be and are poor too, nothing special about them. “People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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@hardwood I don't buy those stats. Looks like seeking sympathy. What do you mean govt banned employing whites in private sector? What govt requires is a minimum ownership by blacks not total ban. Whites being the ones running economy are generally and statistically better off. Though there is nothing odd seeing some struggling ones. Visit NYC utashangaa. Weka full stats for entire country and show poverty numbers by race. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Kratos wrote: Something else, you have said that the whites arrived in SA before the blacks, is it similar to how Columbus "discovered" America, is it a case of the victor writing history ? I don't understand the fascination with white people being poor. You should visit Trumpland and see for yourself where majority of the poor whites live in rural settings while the poor minorities live in urban settings. White people can be and are poor too, nothing special about them.
Nope. The African tribes were there for long before Jan Van Riebeck came But did they occupy all the land?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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harrydre wrote:@hardwood I don't buy those stats. Looks like seeking sympathy. What do you mean govt banned employing whites in private sector? What govt requires is a minimum ownership by blacks not total ban.
Whites being the ones running economy are generally and statistically better off. Though there is nothing odd seeing some struggling ones. Visit NYC utashangaa.
Weka full stats for entire country and show poverty numbers by race. The BEE rules are also being said to favour whites Bright whites are looking for black fronts for their companies!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:There are currently 430,00 whites living in the slums. Any society would be gravely worried when such a huge number of people move from the middle and upper class to the slum dwelling class in just 20yrs. And they have been pushed to poverty by the govt system that bans them from holding jobs in the govt and private sector, where business have been ordered to hire only blacks. For your information the population of kibera slum, a slum that shocks the whole world, is 170,000 people as per the last Kenya census ( (LINK). What is funny about SA is that the whites are considered foreigners despite having settled in SA in 1600s, long before zulus immigrated from the congo forest, basically meaning the zulu are the foreigners. Infact the white settlers of the Cape first came face to face with the Bantu around 1770 on the banks of the Great Fish River, 120 years after Van Riebeeck settled at the Cape, and they encountered the bantus 1000 km east of Cape Town. Also the boers were conquered and defeated by the british in 1890's (when kenya was also colonised) and boers were given "uhuru" by britain in 1961. Quote: Sitting in a deck chair at a white South African squatter camp, Ann le Roux, 60, holds a yellowing photo from her daughter’s wedding day.
Taken not long after Nelson Mandela became the country’s first black president in 1994, it shows Le Roux standing with her Afrikaans husband and their daughter outside their home in Melville, an upmarket Johannesburg neighborhood.
Sixteen years later, she lives in a caravan and a tent shared with seven other people, including her daughter and four grandchildren, at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans.
She is one of a growing number of whites living below the poverty line in South Africa who blame affirmative action and the ANC-led elected government for their plight.
Le Roux had to sell her house after her husband died and she lost her job as a secretary at the city planning council — where she had worked for 26 years — after she took time off work to recover from the loss of her husband.
“They wouldn’t take me back because of the political situation,” she says, looking down at the fading photo.
“Our color here is not the right color now in South Africa,” Le Roux says, echoing the complaint of many impoverished whites, mostly Afrikaners who are descendants of early Dutch and French settlers.
yeap.... that's what africans have been feeling for a while! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:There are currently 430,000 whites living in the slums. Any society would be gravely worried when such a huge number of people move from the middle and upper class to the slum dwelling class in just 20yrs. And they have been pushed to poverty by the govt system that bans them from holding jobs in the govt and private sector, where business have been ordered to hire only blacks. For your information the population of kibera slum, a slum that shocks the whole world, is 170,000 people as per the last Kenya census ( (LINK). What is funny about SA is that the whites are considered foreigners despite having settled in SA in 1600s, long before zulus immigrated from the congo forest, basically meaning the zulu are the foreigners. Infact the white settlers of the Cape first came face to face with the Bantu around 1770 on the banks of the Great Fish River, 120 years after Van Riebeeck settled at the Cape, and they encountered the bantus 1000 km east of Cape Town. Also the boers were conquered and defeated by the british in 1890's (when kenya was also colonised) and boers were given "uhuru" by britain in 1961. Quote: Sitting in a deck chair at a white South African squatter camp, Ann le Roux, 60, holds a yellowing photo from her daughter’s wedding day.
Taken not long after Nelson Mandela became the country’s first black president in 1994, it shows Le Roux standing with her Afrikaans husband and their daughter outside their home in Melville, an upmarket Johannesburg neighborhood.
Sixteen years later, she lives in a caravan and a tent shared with seven other people, including her daughter and four grandchildren, at a squatter camp for poor white South Africans.
She is one of a growing number of whites living below the poverty line in South Africa who blame affirmative action and the ANC-led elected government for their plight.
Le Roux had to sell her house after her husband died and she lost her job as a secretary at the city planning council — where she had worked for 26 years — after she took time off work to recover from the loss of her husband.
“They wouldn’t take me back because of the political situation,” she says, looking down at the fading photo.
“Our color here is not the right color now in South Africa,” Le Roux says, echoing the complaint of many impoverished whites, mostly Afrikaners who are descendants of early Dutch and French settlers.
I'd missed one zero, the number is 430,000 whites living in slums. Compare with kibera at 170,000.
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