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Sexual Offences Act
Obi 1 Kanobi
#1 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 1:32:10 PM
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How constitutional is this law.

How do you jail one minor (boy) for engaging in consensual sex with another minor (girl) and let the girl off scot free.

As per this law, is a crime committed if 2 boys or 2 girls engage in consensual sex (disregard the gay bit).

I have no problem with the action on defilers
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 1:45:08 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
How constitutional is this law.

How do you jail one minor (boy) for engaging in consensual sex with another minor (girl) and let the girl off scot free.

As per this law, is a crime committed if 2 boys or 2 girls engage in consensual sex (disregard the gay bit).

I have no problem with the action on defilers



Lopsided laws driven by feminist agendas
grolut
#3 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 2:25:28 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
How constitutional is this law.

How do you jail one minor (boy) for engaging in consensual sex with another minor (girl) and let the girl off scot free.

As per this law, is a crime committed if 2 boys or 2 girls engage in consensual sex (disregard the gay bit).

I have no problem with the action on defilers


These are matters Maeendeleo ya Wanaume should take up, not trying to get rid of a statue in front of the High Court.
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FRM2011
#4 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 5:48:26 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
How constitutional is this law.

How do you jail one minor (boy) for engaging in consensual sex with another minor (girl) and let the girl off scot free.

As per this law, is a crime committed if 2 boys or 2 girls engage in consensual sex (disregard the gay bit).

I have no problem with the action on defilers



This law was very timely and we'll thought out by hon. Njoki ndungu.

Like a mentioned in another thread, talk to any high school teacher and they will tell you of horror stories that have befallen their colleagues who dared touch the randy girls under their care.

The law was made to protect our young girls.

But now it's application in criminal proceedings has resulted in undesirable outcomes like the cases you have mentioned.

Luckily, this matter was discussed extensively during the recent judges colloquium, and they were all unanimous something needs to be amended.

The AG promised action.

But for now, advise your son to keep off girls. This law has destroyed the lives of a number of teenage boys.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:23:06 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
How constitutional is this law.

How do you jail one minor (boy) for engaging in consensual sex with another minor (girl) and let the girl off scot free.

As per this law, is a crime committed if 2 boys or 2 girls engage in consensual sex (disregard the gay bit).

I have no problem with the action on defilers



This law was very timely and we'll thought out by hon. Njoki ndungu.

Like a mentioned in another thread, talk to any high school teacher and they will tell you of horror stories that have befallen their colleagues who dared touch the randy girls under their care.

The law was made to protect our young girls.

But now it's application in criminal proceedings has resulted in undesirable outcomes like the cases you have mentioned.

Luckily, this matter was discussed extensively during the recent judges colloquium, and they were all unanimous something needs to be amended.

The AG promised action.

But for now, advise your son to keep off girls. This law has destroyed the lives of a number of teenage boys.


I appreciate that there is a need to protect our minors (especially our girls) from peodophiles and pederasts but this cannot be achieved by a law that targets one sex?

Are we admitting using this law that a man is superior to a woman holding all things constant.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
alma1
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:18:22 PM
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Some of the laws being passed in Kenya these days would make Justice Miller smile in his grave.

Ati to protect young girls, we destroy young boys.

If this law was around during Kenyatta's time, some of you people would not have been born.

Another stupid law that needs to go to the annals of sahau.

From2011 when you use the words Honorable to a law that persecutes one for being born a certain sex, we have serious problems.

I'm now convinced that the people crafting Kenyan laws these days are day dreamers or high school dropouts who paid to go to law school and got sponsors on the way up.

There is no other reason that someone can even come up with a law that says speeding is 30k pap. Jinga sana. I'd rather give the cop 1k. I can speed 26 times on that highway and still have enough to take a quarter to the nagging one.
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murchr
#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 4:43:32 PM
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Kisii MCAs in court after 'weekend outing' with schoolgirls

the Star wrote:
Two MCAs from Kisii county who allegedly spent a weekend with three schoolgirls failed to take plea when they were arraigned on Wednesday.

Joash Orora (Msimba) and Cosmas Saka (Nyakoe) failed to take the plea after the chief magistrate Jesse Nyaga noted that the charge sheet was defective.

State counsel Tom Mbali had wanted the accused to plead to charges of "sexual exploitation contrary to Section 18 of the Penal Code, as read with Section 121 of Sexual Offenses Act".


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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:33:30 AM
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alma1 wrote:
Some of the laws being passed in Kenya these days would make Justice Miller smile in his grave.

Ati to protect young girls, we destroy young boys.

If this law was around during Kenyatta's time, some of you people would not have been born.

Another stupid law that needs to go to the annals of sahau.

From2011 when you use the words Honorable to a law that persecutes one for being born a certain sex, we have serious problems.

I'm now convinced that the people crafting Kenyan laws these days are day dreamers or high school dropouts who paid to go to law school and got sponsors on the way up.

There is no other reason that someone can even come up with a law that says speeding is 30k pap. Jinga sana. I'd rather give the cop 1k. I can speed 26 times on that highway and still have enough to take a quarter to the nagging one.


Hehehe. Its hard to disagree with you on that one.....
Obi 1 Kanobi
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 10:08:58 AM
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murchr wrote:
Kisii MCAs in court after 'weekend outing' with schoolgirls

the Star wrote:
Two MCAs from Kisii county who allegedly spent a weekend with three schoolgirls failed to take plea when they were arraigned on Wednesday.

Joash Orora (Msimba) and Cosmas Saka (Nyakoe) failed to take the plea after the chief magistrate Jesse Nyaga noted that the charge sheet was defective.

State counsel Tom Mbali had wanted the accused to plead to charges of "sexual exploitation contrary to Section 18 of the Penal Code, as read with Section 121 of Sexual Offenses Act".




These sex predators being politicians will walk away scott free and even get elected in 2017 because this poorly crafted bill only targets teenage boys.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
FRM2011
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 11:47:49 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kisii MCAs in court after 'weekend outing' with schoolgirls

the Star wrote:
Two MCAs from Kisii county who allegedly spent a weekend with three schoolgirls failed to take plea when they were arraigned on Wednesday.

Joash Orora (Msimba) and Cosmas Saka (Nyakoe) failed to take the plea after the chief magistrate Jesse Nyaga noted that the charge sheet was defective.

State counsel Tom Mbali had wanted the accused to plead to charges of "sexual exploitation contrary to Section 18 of the Penal Code, as read with Section 121 of Sexual Offenses Act".




These sex predators being politicians will walk away scott free and even get elected in 2017 because this poorly crafted bill only targets teenage boys.


These guys are in a lot of trouble. This bill was specifically crafted to protect minors from sex pests. You will remember one of its most powerful clauses is in its definition of a legal guardian.

The parents of these girls cannot make an out-of-court deal with the mcas. Anyone can simply walk to court and be recognised as the complainant. Even a neighbour.

The fact that young boys have been caught by the net shouldn't blind us from seeing the good in a tough law.

In nyeri a guy married a 17yr old girl in a customary wedding complete with dowry. He was arrested and jailed for 15 years. Even when the girl and her parents testified on his behalf, the magistrate was not moved. He was only released on appeal after one year in prison.

Moral : don't touch under 18.
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