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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:smano wrote:Anytime I read about the atrocities committed against the black man over millennia then I just wonder how people overcome some things... We overcome it through ignorance. The blackman has never seen the need to have written history, many of these atrocities (some much worse) in Africa and the US have disappeared with history simply because we did not record them. If we had written history, we would be drawing more sympathy than the Jews and their "holocaust line". The black man is allergic to books, be it writing or reading. They only know street raw wars and phombe...
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Rift Valley
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AlphDoti wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:smano wrote:Anytime I read about the atrocities committed against the black man over millennia then I just wonder how people overcome some things... We overcome it through ignorance. The blackman has never seen the need to have written history, many of these atrocities (some much worse) in Africa and the US have disappeared with history simply because we did not record them. If we had written history, we would be drawing more sympathy than the Jews and their "holocaust line". The black man is allergic to books, be it writing or reading. They only know street raw wars and phombe... Winston Churchill also had this foolish reasoning and first hand, he witnessed the end of the British Empire.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed. The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed.
The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin
In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust it's approximated that close to 100m africans were killed in like 100 years. hao ni wengi.... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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AlphDoti wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:smano wrote:Anytime I read about the atrocities committed against the black man over millennia then I just wonder how people overcome some things... We overcome it through ignorance. The blackman has never seen the need to have written history, many of these atrocities (some much worse) in Africa and the US have disappeared with history simply because we did not record them. If we had written history, we would be drawing more sympathy than the Jews and their "holocaust line". The black man is allergic to books, be it writing or reading. They only know street raw wars and phombe... We are headed in the right direction! http://www.dailymail.co....lack-history-opens.html
i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed.
The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin
In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust it's approximated that close to 100m africans were killed in like 100 years. hao ni wengi.... Asi. Tungekuwa wengi sana. and then they unleashed the hiv!! persecution well planned and organized. The 3rd Testament work in progress. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed.
The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin
In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust it's approximated that close to 100m africans were killed in like 100 years. hao ni wengi.... Asi. Tungekuwa wengi sana. and then they unleashed the hiv!! persecution well planned and organized. The 3rd Testament work in progress. imagine.. a whole continent. the second largest by area. the cradle of humanity... has less people than China and India. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed.
The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin
In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust it's approximated that close to 100m africans were killed in like 100 years. hao ni wengi.... Asi. Tungekuwa wengi sana. and then they unleashed the hiv!! persecution well planned and organized. The 3rd Testament work in progress. imagine.. a whole continent. the second largest by area. the cradle of humanity... has less people than China and India. Oh! What a sad history lesson!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:At least this was 1 man's madness. The colony was tge personal property of Leopold. The Belgian govt wasn't involved. Infact, it took the colony from the King when this was exposed.
The German case in Namibia is sad. O ly 25000 Herero remained after the genocide that the Germans killed est 100,000 of their kin
In this,the Germans practiced what they'd do later in the holocaust it's approximated that close to 100m africans were killed in like 100 years. hao ni wengi.... Asi. Tungekuwa wengi sana. and then they unleashed the hiv!! persecution well planned and organized. The 3rd Testament work in progress. imagine.. a whole continent. the second largest by area. the cradle of humanity... has less people than China and India. Oh! What a sad history lesson! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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A lesson without a change of outlook or behavior, is no lesson. Only critical thinking can teach. And that's what you seem to be avoiding.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:A lesson without a change of outlook or behavior, is no lesson. Only critical thinking can teach. And that's what you seem to be avoiding. Bring it on brother, do not just criticize, let us see this critical thinking of yours. I promise I will try to follow and understand...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:A lesson without a change of outlook or behavior, is no lesson. Only critical thinking can teach. And that's what you seem to be avoiding.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:A lesson without a change of outlook or behavior, is no lesson. Only critical thinking can teach. And that's what you seem to be avoiding. Bring it on brother, do not just criticize, let us see this critical thinking of yours. I promise I will try to follow and understand... Sisemi kitu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not. What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value? Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not. What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value? Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above. @tycho, here is a simple case... You can twist it the way you want. Quote:Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.
The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the county own currency.
On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.
Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.
On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.
On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.
In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. You ask "what lesson in history"? It impacts me and you. We can educate against such economic oppression...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not. What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value? Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above. @tycho, here is a simple case... You can twist it the way you want. Quote:Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.
The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the county own currency.
On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.
Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.
On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.
On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.
In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents... what about the colonial taxes? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,274 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Is goodness measured by success in this case? what do you think? it's successful if it stands the test of time Time has no test. Only intelligent creatures can test. just a lesson in history! not interested in a winding debate with you on ideology or semantics on this thread... this is history. start a thread for those winding and tiring debates. What lesson in history? You're just getting touchy because you can't think. I agree @tycho derives pleasure by differing and complicating... to him, nothing can be discussed in simple terms. Always why not this way, why not that way... blah blah. Maybe I'm not able to grasp his gist, I accept I do not. What are the simple terms in this case? Is there a simple argument here that should be accepted at face value? Ok, @AlphDoti; Start by answering the questions above. @tycho, here is a simple case... You can twist it the way you want. Quote:Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
Sylvanus Olympio, the first president of the Republic of Togo, a tiny country in west Africa, found a middle ground solution with the French.He didn’t want his country to continue to be a french dominion, therefore he refused to sign the colonisation continuation pact De Gaule proposed, but agree to pay an annual debt to France for the so called benefits Togo got from french colonization.It was the only conditions for the French not to destroy the country before leaving. However, the amount estimated by France was so big that the reimbursement of the so called “colonial debt” was close to 40% of the country budget in 1963.
The financial situation of the newly independent Togo was very unstable, so in order to get out the situation, Olympio decided to get out the french colonial money FCFA (the franc for french african colonies), and issue the county own currency.
On January 13, 1963, three days after he started printing his country own currency, a squad of illiterate soldiers backed by France killed the first elected president of newly independent Africa. Olympio was killed by an ex French Foreign Legionnaire army sergeant called Etienne Gnassingbe who supposedly received a bounty of $612 from the local French embassy for the hit man job.
Olympio’s dream was to build an independent and self-sufficient and self-reliant country. But the French didn’t like the idea.
On June 30, 1962, Modiba Keita , the first president of the Republic of Mali, decided to withdraw from the french colonial currency FCFA which was imposed on 12 newly independent African countries. For the Malian president, who was leaning more to a socialist economy, it was clear that colonisation continuation pact with France was a trap, a burden for the country development.
On November 19, 1968, like, Olympio, Keita will be the victim of a coup carried out by another ex French Foreign legionnaire, the Lieutenant Moussa Traoré.
In fact during that turbulent period of African fighting to liberate themselves from European colonization, France would repeatedly use many ex Foreign legionnaires to carry out coups against elected presidents... what about the colonial taxes? @masukums, the above history is just an example of very sad state of affairs. France and other Western powers clearly feed on our resources without remorse. We must make an African proletarian revolution and unite the people of Africa under a continental socialist government. This is the only way to break us from imperialist stranglehold... So the first step is to educate...
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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I bet it was not for nothing that all black people fled down southwards, i.e South of the sahara to hide in the equitorial forests or; South in the pacific islands, Australia or new zealand.
If you read the history of all black people and this includes the Australian aboriginnes, New zealanders, the Papau New Guineans, the Fijians even people in the south of far east are black or dark skinned.
They have been fleeing south for milennia to escape a new congurer(s) that threatened to exterminate or enslave them.
Majority of these attackers i dare say were predominately white.
I dont think it was out of choice that our Ancestors deliberately chose to isolate themselves from all forms of civilization. It was a matter of survival as a Race.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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Yet they found us and continued where they left off.
Sometimes i wish our Black histoirans could write an history of all our black race in the world and find out the causes and effects of why we found ourselves in such a sorry state of affairs.
Maybe then we can find solutions to what has beeen ailing us for so long.
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