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Alba
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:31:34 PM
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Location: Bandalungwa
masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
So masukuma and peterreborn
You guys are basically thieves? No better than the carjackers, muggers and pickpoeckets who are wreaking havoc on Kenyans? Is this what you are telling wazuans today?
Or has the country completely lost its moral compass?

boss... a thief goes out hunting.... ikijileta nyumbani sio wizi... ni windfall! ati rudisha pesa... kwani wewe ni fala aina gani... unakaa kimya until wenyewe wakuje then you pretend you had not see it. they should consider the loss tuition fee - ndio iwe funzo to those who make such mistakes...



If a relative visited my house and left his wallet full of cash by mistake, I would return it.
You on the other hand would take all the money and pretend you never saw it.
Wewe ni mwizi !
No moral compass at all.
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Alba
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:39:50 PM
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Location: Bandalungwa
Here are the relevant dictionary definitions. Nowhere does it say "hunting" as masukuma claims

Thief: a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.

Steal: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Therefore If a person leaves his wallet at your house and you take it, you are a thief especially if its a significant amount. This makes masukuma and people of similar ilk thieves.

In Mutahi's case it is worse because the contract he signed clearly stated how much he was owed. But he had a backdoor arrangement to pocket more money than stated. He is clearly a thief.

What makes Mutahi an even bigger thief is that he was unqualified and likely did not do any work. He never went hunting as masukuma claims. He arranged a back door deal to steal tax payer money without auditing anything.

Not only are we a country of bandits but clearly we as a country have no moral compass at all.
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masukuma
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:34:19 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
So masukuma and peterreborn
You guys are basically thieves? No better than the carjackers, muggers and pickpoeckets who are wreaking havoc on Kenyans? Is this what you are telling wazuans today?
Or has the country completely lost its moral compass?

boss... a thief goes out hunting.... ikijileta nyumbani sio wizi... ni windfall! ati rudisha pesa... kwani wewe ni fala aina gani... unakaa kimya until wenyewe wakuje then you pretend you had not see it. they should consider the loss tuition fee - ndio iwe funzo to those who make such mistakes...



If a relative visited my house and left his wallet full of cash by mistake, I would return it.
You on the other hand would take all the money and pretend you never saw it.
Wewe ni mwizi !
No moral compass at all.

Wewe ikikuja - wewe rudisha! if the relative put his money in my wallet? Account is synonymous to wallet not 'house'. but wewe jipange.... i have no shame saying that mtu akituma pesa kwa account yangu sitamAlert - it's their job to figure it out na akikaa sana... I will consider myself kama nimeonekaniwa!! (unless nikirudisha ensures that i will reap more in future)
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Alba
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:56:56 PM
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Location: Bandalungwa
@Masukuma
I am sure you know that the extra money put in Ngunyi's account was not done by mistake. It was done via corrupt backroom deal. Thats why he is a thief. How is this even debatable?
Why are we pretending that it was put their by mistake?

This is why CJ called us a nation of bandits. If you are proud of being one of those bandits then fine. I am glad you admit it.
Me personally I would never steal. I am not entirely satisfied with what I have. But stealing is not an option for me.
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PeterReborn
#25 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 9:21:02 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2014
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Alba wrote:
@Masukuma
I am sure you know that the extra money put in Ngunyi's account was not done by mistake. It was done via corrupt backroom deal. Thats why he is a thief. How is this even debatable?
Why are we pretending that it was put their by mistake?

This is why CJ called us a nation of bandits. If you are proud of being one of those bandits then fine. I am glad you admit it.
Me personally I would never steal. I am not entirely satisfied with what I have. But stealing is not an option for me.

How sure are you?There is a difference between perception and reality.If he wanted to steal was it not easier for him to just include their fees in his invoice like it normally happens?
Consistency is better than intensity
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Angelica _ann
#26 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 9:28:32 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,939
PeterReborn wrote:
Alba wrote:
@Masukuma
I am sure you know that the extra money put in Ngunyi's account was not done by mistake. It was done via corrupt backroom deal. Thats why he is a thief. How is this even debatable?
Why are we pretending that it was put their by mistake?

This is why CJ called us a nation of bandits. If you are proud of being one of those bandits then fine. I am glad you admit it.
Me personally I would never steal. I am not entirely satisfied with what I have. But stealing is not an option for me.

How sure are you?There is a difference between perception and reality.If he wanted to steal was it not easier for him to just include their fees in his invoice like it normally happens?

Wacha jokes, the thief in him was busted nicely. It took the auditor general report to smoke him out (which originally he tried to deny by bringing tribal dimension which didn't work).
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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mkenyan
#27 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 9:46:00 AM
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Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,885
Alba wrote:
Here are the relevant dictionary definitions. Nowhere does it say "hunting" as masukuma claims

Thief: a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.

Steal: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Therefore If a person leaves his wallet at your house and you take it, you are a thief especially if its a significant amount. This makes masukuma and people of similar ilk thieves.

In Mutahi's case it is worse because the contract he signed clearly stated how much he was owed. But he had a backdoor arrangement to pocket more money than stated. He is clearly a thief.

What makes Mutahi an even bigger thief is that he was unqualified and likely did not do any work. He never went hunting as masukuma claims. He arranged a back door deal to steal tax payer money without auditing anything.

Not only are we a country of bandits but clearly we as a country have no moral compass at all.

spot on. it is not surprising seeing some of us here trying to justify corruption.
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masukuma
#28 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 10:22:33 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
PeterReborn wrote:
Alba wrote:
@Masukuma
I am sure you know that the extra money put in Ngunyi's account was not done by mistake. It was done via corrupt backroom deal. Thats why he is a thief. How is this even debatable?
Why are we pretending that it was put their by mistake?

This is why CJ called us a nation of bandits. If you are proud of being one of those bandits then fine. I am glad you admit it.
Me personally I would never steal. I am not entirely satisfied with what I have. But stealing is not an option for me.

How sure are you?There is a difference between perception and reality.If he wanted to steal was it not easier for him to just include their fees in his invoice like it normally happens?

Bandits rob by guns... Thieves steal - they play an active role. All those are actions... actions of COMMISSION. for me it's OMISSION... omitting to tell you that you have done something stupid. Wewe ukiweka pesa kwa wallet yangu - pole sana. you can go around shouting how I am a thief all you want but hakuna mahali unanipeleka - there is nothing that compels me to send you back money that you voluntarily sent to me. it's not fraud (involves trickery and misrepresentation), it's just stupidity on your part - I did not ask you for it and you sent to my account? - POLE SANA!! Utajua hii ni town.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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PeterReborn
#29 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 11:23:16 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2014
Posts: 1,063
So i someone send you money to the wrong number and you return the money you are a thief because you received the money?
Mtahi was categorical that the cartel at NYS wanted to tarnish his name by making a payment in his account he never invoiced.
How stupid can he be if he wanted to steal.Normally the kick backs are included in the invoice so that they do not raise a query.Was Mtahi stupid enough not to include them in the invoice if he wanted to steal?
Consistency is better than intensity
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AlphDoti
#30 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 11:27:40 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
PeterReborn wrote:
So i someone send you money to the wrong number and you return the money you are a thief because you received the money?

Even schooling with someone nowadays and they turn out to be a thief later, "they" will come and arrest the former schoolmates...
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