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Law Capping interest rates
muandiwambeu
#1201 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:34:22 PM
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watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....

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Sober
#1202 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:05:02 PM
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CBR rate lowered by 50 points to 10% What happens http://www.businessdaily...387612-q55mif/index.html
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Sober
#1203 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:29:28 PM
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watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....


From my understanding there is no much difference as the bank will always be making 4% above the CBR.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
obiero
#1204 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:37:17 PM
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Sober wrote:
watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....


From my understanding there is no much difference as the bank will always be making 4% above the CBR.

There is a difference.. Lower CBR stresses the cost of funds. Higher CBR is better for the banks

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newfarer
#1205 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:37:15 PM
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Shak wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
So KCBMpesa is not lending anymore and Equity has reduced the Equitel loan limits!


What are the new limits?

Have they also reduced the Ezzyloan limits?

Yes they have...from 30K to zero and with no communication even. As is, one can only borrow mshwari given KCB is also out of the loan game for now.
I still think interest capping is a mistake.
Accessing unsecured loans right now is impossible..so what happens to us juakali people with no assets to secure?

That's funny. Just checked mine and both my easy plus and easy loan limits have increased

Hahaha, birdman is a known banker here in wazua, so expect nothing positive on the rate cap from him, rate cap to me is the best thing to happen so far this year. Existing loan instalment with Barclays down.
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Swenani
#1206 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:44:08 PM
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Sober wrote:
watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....


From my understanding there is no much difference as the bank will always be making 4% above the CBR.


Sadly, your understandng is misunderstanding

assuming CBR is 10% the spread between rate paid on interest and rate chanrged on loans is only 7%

if the CBR goes to 15%, the spread increase to 8.5%

if it goes to 100% the spread goes to 34%


If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
MaichBlack
#1207 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:50:09 PM
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Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
So KCBMpesa is not lending anymore and Equity has reduced the Equitel loan limits!


What are the new limits?

Have they also reduced the Ezzyloan limits?

Yes they have...from 30K to zero and with no communication even. As is, one can only borrow mshwari given KCB is also out of the loan game for now.
I still think interest capping is a mistake.
Accessing unsecured loans right now is impossible..so what happens to us juakali people with no assets to secure?


Use welding machine as a collateral.

@Welder - What makes you imagine Jua Kali means chomelea (welding). Jua Kali is very broad.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1208 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:53:59 PM
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watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....

Welcome to politically driven "economics". The World Bank raised concerns that this law might erode Central Bank's independence. They were afraid that Central Bank might get instructions from the Executive on which direction they should adjust the CBR to.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1209 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:56:19 PM
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maka wrote:
bird_man wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
So KCBMpesa is not lending anymore and Equity has reduced the Equitel loan limits!


What are the new limits?

Have they also reduced the Ezzyloan limits?

Yes they have...from 30K to zero and with no communication even. As is, one can only borrow mshwari given KCB is also out of the loan game for now.
I still think interest capping is a mistake.
Accessing unsecured loans right now is impossible..so what happens to us juakali people with no assets to secure?


Use welding machine as a collateral.


The Banks will choke the living daylights out of Wanjiku until there are protests to reverse this useless law...

Meanwhile they will shift focus to corporate customers, high net worth individuals, T bills and regional subsidiaries...

The Act will be reversed...perhaps after elections.It's very good for employees with high salaries and structured business. Mama mboga and the likes cannot meet eligibility criteria anymore.


With UK and WSR in power this thing will never be reversed...

These are exactly the people who will reverse the law. This was 100% political decision and once UK is back in the house on the hill, be ready for the reversal. I have a feeling the law will not see the end of 2017.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Sober
#1210 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:04:26 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Sober wrote:
watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....


From my understanding there is no much difference as the bank will always be making 4% above the CBR.


Sadly, your understandng is misunderstanding

assuming CBR is 10% the spread between rate paid on interest and rate chanrged on loans is only 7%

if the CBR goes to 15%, the spread increase to 8.5%

if it goes to 100% the spread goes to 34%



Applause Applause well illustrated. So how wide can CBK swing the so called CBR rate?
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
MaichBlack
#1211 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:04:59 PM
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Sober wrote:
watesh wrote:
CBR has been lowered. Another hit in the nuts for the banks....


From my understanding there is no much difference as the bank will always be making 4% above the CBR.

There is a huge difference bro. Most banks are moving most customers to non interest earning accounts and setting impossible conditions interest earning accounts - like withdrawing only twice a year etc.

In a nutshell, most deposits will be "free" so the higher the CBR, the more the banks make and the lower the CBR the less the banks make!!!

Also as @Swenani has so ably explained, the interest paid on deposits is a percentage and the interest charged on loans is a fixed figure above the CBR rate.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
muandiwambeu
#1212 Posted : Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:29:12 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
bird_man wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
So KCBMpesa is not lending anymore and Equity has reduced the Equitel loan limits!


What are the new limits?

Have they also reduced the Ezzyloan limits?

Yes they have...from 30K to zero and with no communication even. As is, one can only borrow mshwari given KCB is also out of the loan game for now.
I still think interest capping is a mistake.
Accessing unsecured loans right now is impossible..so what happens to us juakali people with no assets to secure?


Use welding machine as a collateral.


The Banks will choke the living daylights out of Wanjiku until there are protests to reverse this useless law...

Meanwhile they will shift focus to corporate customers, high net worth individuals, T bills and regional subsidiaries...

The Act will be reversed...perhaps after elections.It's very good for employees with high salaries and structured business. Mama mboga and the likes cannot meet eligibility criteria anymore.


With UK and WSR in power this thing will never be reversed...

These are exactly the people who will reverse the law. This was 100% political decision and once UK is back in the house on the hill, be ready for the reversal. I have a feeling the law will not see the end of 2017.

that will cause post decappiñg violence equatable to pev or worse. walking on fired charcoals it is.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
alotoftalk
#1213 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:59:32 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
If Uhuru signs the Bill this will be hat-trick against his own interests. From an economic perspective (inflation, capital flight, contracted lending etc), a business perspective (CBA) and political perspective (due to economic trouble, loss of credibility among the business class, political donations, RAO already pushing for it etc)

I actually want him to sign it, the same way I want Americans to elect Trump and how I wanted Britons to vote for Brexit. These are real life experiences on the effects negative or otherwise of populist policy.


Now that the effects of the bill are finally dawning down, let's see if the government will introduce another to force banks to lend depositors money by force to unsecured borrowers with no credit history or collateral.

Uhuru's own goal and the journey of self elimination from the beauty contest has started.[Re: Zambia and Venezuela pricing controls]

Brexit was an own goal, UK own goal, waiting for the Trump own goal.

A great time to be alive.
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Akenyan2014
#1214 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:40:30 AM
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#alotoftalk

alotoftalk wrote:
alotoftalk wrote:
If Uhuru signs the Bill this will be hat-trick against his own interests. From an economic perspective (inflation, capital flight, contracted lending etc), a business perspective (CBA) and political perspective (due to economic trouble, loss of credibility among the business class, political donations, RAO already pushing for it etc)

I actually want him to sign it, the same way I want Americans to elect Trump and how I wanted Britons to vote for Brexit. These are real life experiences on the effects negative or otherwise of populist policy.


Now that the effects of the bill are finally dawning down, let's see if the government will introduce another to force banks to lend depositors money by force to unsecured borrowers with no credit history or collateral.

Uhuru's own goal and the journey of self elimination from the beauty contest has started.[Re: Zambia and Venezuela pricing controls]

Brexit was an own goal, UK own goal, waiting for the Trump own goal.

A great time to be alive.

Musimo
#1215 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:19:02 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
alotoftalk wrote:
If Uhuru signs the Bill this will be hat-trick against his own interests. From an economic perspective (inflation, capital flight, contracted lending etc), a business perspective (CBA) and political perspective (due to economic trouble, loss of credibility among the business class, political donations, RAO already pushing for it etc)

I actually want him to sign it, the same way I want Americans to elect Trump and how I wanted Britons to vote for Brexit. These are real life experiences on the effects negative or otherwise of populist policy.


Now that the effects of the bill are finally dawning down, let's see if the government will introduce another to force banks to lend depositors money by force to unsecured borrowers with no credit history or collateral.

Uhuru's own goal and the journey of self elimination from the beauty contest has started.[Re: Zambia and Venezuela pricing controls]

Brexit was an own goal, UK own goal, waiting for the Trump own goal.

A great time to be alive.


Everyone preaching doom and gloom,so I believe my questions will be well fought out for:
1. What are the actual effects of brexit,both pro and anti? I am yet to see any document on the same and especially from anti-brexiters who predicted collapse of britain as opposed to europe.
2. In this instance,if banks do not loan out monies to wananchi,and gava decides to do another eurobond,who will they loan put to? (Obviously a bank will rise and take up those angry with their banks for some funny rules on their accounts,saccos still have lower interest while they came up due to the same banks shafting customers on loans. My two cents)
3. Government is now getting quite cheap money. Would banks not loaning money to citizens willing to take them then bid as low as 7% margin on money they're giving out to gava? Would that make business sense?
4. If citizens ignore banks just for fun in terms of not taking loans,wont banks deploy en-masse to woo every tom dick and harry to avoid going into loss making territory?
5. What of NPLs so far since bill was signed? What are the changes seen so far on banks?
More questions to follow in due time
Ericsson
#1216 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:32:15 AM
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While out economy stagnates our regional neighbours will push forward and leave us behind.
Kenya to them has become a country of learning what not to do if you want to prosper.
Start with SGR and pipeline where we were left on our own, interest capping where they have all said they will not try implementing such a law in their countries
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wukan
#1217 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:18:35 PM
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So private sector credit growth is just a third(7.2%) of what it was in July last year(21.4%) and that's even before interest rates capping.

Inflation be damned!!! 2017 will be interesting. Someone get me some popcorns
streetwise
#1218 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:25:54 PM
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Kenya economy will not stagnate, instead the pace of growth will accelerate.

When a seed is planted in the soil and it starts to germinate we don't say we have no seed, we say we have a seedling. It ends up producing many more seeds when the plant matures and produces the corn.

There is however a time that must pass before harvest and at that time we may all be competing with one another with anticipation of failure.

Wait for the harvest and they shall eat, drink and dance.
KulaRaha
#1219 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:15 PM
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Seems the Governor is not as enthusiastic as the rest of you:

Kenya central bank: commercial bank lending may be hit by cap on rates - Reuters News

NAIROBI, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Kenya's cap on commercial bank lending rates is complicating monetary policy and, alongside a cut in the benchmark interest rate, may lead to a decrease in commercial bank lending, the Kenya central bank governor said Wednesday.

Those borrowers deemed to be higher risk are likely to find it more difficult to secure loans after the central bank cut its key lending rate by half a percentage point or 50 basis points to 10 percent on Tuesday, Patrick Njoroge told a new conference.



(Reporting by George Obulutsa; Editing by Katharine Houreld)

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washiku
#1220 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:43:03 PM
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Shak wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Impunity wrote:
bird_man wrote:
So KCBMpesa is not lending anymore and Equity has reduced the Equitel loan limits!


What are the new limits?

Have they also reduced the Ezzyloan limits?

Yes they have...from 30K to zero and with no communication even. As is, one can only borrow mshwari given KCB is also out of the loan game for now.
I still think interest capping is a mistake.
Accessing unsecured loans right now is impossible..so what happens to us juakali people with no assets to secure?

That's funny. Just checked mine and both my easy plus and easy loan limits have increased


Mine too. The Easy Plus one have shot to 300k and it was at 50k for the longest.
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