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SGR Progress thus far
Mkimwa
#361 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:01:30 AM
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KTDA had a tender out to transport 75000 tonnes of fertilizer. The rate provided was 6.5Kshs/tonne/km (or approximate US 6.5 cents/tonne/km).

http://www.ktdateas.com/...NSPORT%20FOR%202016.pdf

They secured more than 1000 trucks for its transport, first shipment arrived of 38000tonnes and was finished in one and a half weeks. Such is the competition in the industry, and the capacity available in the trucking industry.

Now SGR is said to reduce the cost of transport from current US 20 cents/tonne/km with trucks. The market is already at 6 US cents/tonne if above practical experience is anything to go by.

FYI: Using current railway, a container costs 120K to move from MSA to nairobi, and 90K by road. I dont see the game changer of SGR in terms of transport.
Impunity
#362 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:13:31 AM
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Mkimwa wrote:
KTDA had a tender out to transport 75000 tonnes of fertilizer. The rate provided was 6.5Kshs/tonne/km (or approximate US 6.5 cents/tonne/km).

http://www.ktdateas.com/...NSPORT%20FOR%202016.pdf

They secured more than 1000 trucks for its transport, first shipment arrived of 38000tonnes and was finished in one and a half weeks. Such is the competition in the industry, and the capacity available in the trucking industry.

Now SGR is said to reduce the cost of transport from current US 20 cents/tonne/km with trucks. The market is already at 6 US cents/tonne if above practical experience is anything to go by.

FYI: Using current railway, a container costs 120K to move from MSA to nairobi, and 90K by road. I dont see the game changer of SGR in terms of transport.


The government will simply increase the road usage tax by trucks to make the road transport expensive.
You cant beat the gaament especially if the said project is her "star achievement".
Sad
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Othelo
#363 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:26:29 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Mkimwa wrote:
KTDA had a tender out to transport 75000 tonnes of fertilizer. The rate provided was 6.5Kshs/tonne/km (or approximate US 6.5 cents/tonne/km).

http://www.ktdateas.com/...NSPORT%20FOR%202016.pdf

They secured more than 1000 trucks for its transport, first shipment arrived of 38000tonnes and was finished in one and a half weeks. Such is the competition in the industry, and the capacity available in the trucking industry.

Now SGR is said to reduce the cost of transport from current US 20 cents/tonne/km with trucks. The market is already at 6 US cents/tonne if above practical experience is anything to go by.

FYI: Using current railway, a container costs 120K to move from MSA to nairobi, and 90K by road. I dont see the game changer of SGR in terms of transport.


The government will simply increase the road usage tax by trucks to make the road transport expensive.
You cant beat the gaament especially if the said project is her "star achievement".
Sad

majority of transporters are voters ......... JAP members ..... check out what is happening in the Matatu sector and replicate therein smile
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Bachuma Gate
#364 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:03:40 PM
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SGR has put up a construction site at oloosirkon olooltepes village. That's about 4km from Tuala town. Just behind Nazarene University Ongata Rongai.
DOH
Gathige
#365 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:32:59 PM
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Bachuma Gate wrote:
SGR has put up a construction site at oloosirkon olooltepes village. That's about 4km from Tuala town. Just behind Nazarene University Ongata Rongai.



@Bachuma Gate. Any idea on the actual routing from the site? I am hearing so many versions, mara National Park- MMU then Karen, Others Kitengela-Kiserian etc etc
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hardwood
#366 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:13:22 PM
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aemathenge
#367 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 6:04:34 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Extract Copy and paste

Source: The Economist

Link:

Railways in Africa (Kenia?) Puffed out

Africa’s new railways risk going the way of the old ones

If only governments were as enthusiastic about maintaining infrastructure as they are about building it.

On a continent where almost everything is reused, from mobile-phone parts to plastic bags, governments (Kenian?) seem to prefer to buy shiny new things, however expensive.

Rehabilitating the older line might have cost just 5% as much as building a new one on a new right of way, reckons Pierre Pozzo di Borgo of the International Finance Corporation, part of the World Bank.

Could this be because the new railway is a dud investment? Its fastest trains will do a fairly mediocre 80kph.

Much as with the old railway, parts of the new line will be single-track, forcing trains to stop, often for hours, to let others pass.

Most absurdly, it is built to a lower standard of load-bearing than most other new freight railways.

Some fret it may not be possible to load four full containers onto each wagon, as is done on other new lines. “They’re getting a third-rate railway for the cost of a very expensive one,” says a consultant.

The new track is costing Kenya about $4 billion, mostly funded by a loan from the Chinese ExIm bank, but how it will be repaid is unclear.

Although only a year remains before completion, not only are tariffs and rates undecided, but it is not even clear who will run the railway.

Kenyan officials have apparently taken to skipping trade conferences of late to avoid answering questions.


I really want to scream at someone. But instead, I 'll drop by my Ka'local for a few.

I know for certain that the Kenyan technical team that signed the SGR are as brilliant as any engineer elsewhere in the world. The management and directors who approved the deals are equally informed.

I am happy for them that they made a kill. May they enjoy their new found wealth, enjoy their houses in Karen, drive the expensive 4X4's, keep three young gachungwa's, drink single malt whiskeys, holiday in France and live with the satisfaction of knowing that they screwed 40 million people, when the rest of us mortals rarely crack 10 over a lifetime.


On your behalf and on behalf of the Citizens of the Republic of Kenya, His Excellency The President Uhuru Kenyatta has this to say:

"Kenya will ignore negative reports from Western institutions on its decision to go big on infrastructure investment".

LINK
kollabo
#368 Posted : Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:32:36 PM
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by CS James Macharia
Impunity
#369 Posted : Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:36:40 PM
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kollabo wrote:




by CS James Macharia


Kes.600M per km is till exorbitant even for a Levitated line.

Class 1 when the design speed cannot exceed 120km/h?
Poor wanjikus.

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murchr
#370 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:36:32 PM
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Transformer installation





Underground cable across the embankment


The usual curious fellas


Foundation for fuel storage tanks at Nairobi South Station


Nrb - Naivasha camp site
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Swenani
#371 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:28:31 AM
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murchr wrote:
Transformer installation





Underground cable across the embankment


The usual curious fellas


Foundation for fuel storage tanks at Nairobi South Station


Nrb - Naivasha camp site


Transformer installation????

Pole Kipchirchir, what happened to your transformer?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Rahatupu
#372 Posted : Monday, September 26, 2016 11:02:17 AM
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compare


Value for money debate rages.
Angelica _ann
#373 Posted : Monday, September 26, 2016 11:07:40 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
compare


Value for money debate rages.

Huko hakuna nyef nyef, work is done as per Gava's specifications and i guess eating is minimal
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Impunity
#374 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:11:55 AM
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

jmbada
#375 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:05:30 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
compare


Value for money debate rages.

There is no debate. Once you have the SGR, the only focus will be on fully utilizing it. Our brothers and sisters in Ethiopia have built a different style of rail, with different specifications, to meet slightly different objectives. Celebrate your country and it's achievements for once.

And quoting the Sudan tribune...really?
jmbada
#376 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:28:40 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Extract Copy and paste

Source: The Economist

Link:

Railways in Africa (Kenia?) Puffed out

Africa’s new railways risk going the way of the old ones

If only governments were as enthusiastic about maintaining infrastructure as they are about building it.

On a continent where almost everything is reused, from mobile-phone parts to plastic bags, governments (Kenian?) seem to prefer to buy shiny new things, however expensive.

Rehabilitating the older line might have cost just 5% as much as building a new one on a new right of way, reckons Pierre Pozzo di Borgo of the International Finance Corporation, part of the World Bank.

Could this be because the new railway is a dud investment? Its fastest trains will do a fairly mediocre 80kph.

Much as with the old railway, parts of the new line will be single-track, forcing trains to stop, often for hours, to let others pass.

Most absurdly, it is built to a lower standard of load-bearing than most other new freight railways.

Some fret it may not be possible to load four full containers onto each wagon, as is done on other new lines. “They’re getting a third-rate railway for the cost of a very expensive one,” says a consultant.

The new track is costing Kenya about $4 billion, mostly funded by a loan from the Chinese ExIm bank, but how it will be repaid is unclear.

Although only a year remains before completion, not only are tariffs and rates undecided, but it is not even clear who will run the railway.

Kenyan officials have apparently taken to skipping trade conferences of late to avoid answering questions.


I really want to scream at someone. But instead, I 'll drop by my Ka'local for a few.

I know for certain that the Kenyan technical team that signed the SGR are as brilliant as any engineer elsewhere in the world. The management and directors who approved the deals are equally informed.

I am happy for them that they made a kill. May they enjoy their new found wealth, enjoy their houses in Karen, drive the expensive 4X4's, keep three young gachungwa's, drink single malt whiskeys, holiday in France and live with the satisfaction of knowing that they screwed 40 million people, when the rest of us mortals rarely crack 10 over a lifetime.


On your behalf and on behalf of the Citizens of the Republic of Kenya, His Excellency The President Uhuru Kenyatta has this to say:

"Kenya will ignore negative reports from Western institutions on its decision to go big on infrastructure investment".

LINK

Correction: A previous version of this piece said that replacing the older line would cost 5% as much as building a new one. It is in fact 25%. This has been updated
Ofcourse a wider gauge railway is more expensive. That stupid economist piece does not even state the average speed you can achieve along the old railway line with DOUBLE STACKED containers
1. the old gauge railway cannot handle crossborder movement, if neighbouring countries have standard gauges, you would have to unload and reload at each border [p
2. The article clearly states that the line is "roughly" alongside the new line. This is true, but misleading. the line focuses on using existing wayleaves to reduce land acquisition costs. It also diverges to reduce sharp bends and requires bridges to reduce inclines / declines. This allows for higher AVERAGE speeds and the wider axle base allows for heavier loads. It is in now way similar to the existing railway line in terms of freight carriage and speed.
3. It will also allow for retrofitting for conversion to an Electric train once out elec generation capacity is able to support that as well as crude oil evacuation along the upcoming pipeline.
jmbada
#377 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:36:17 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Mkimwa wrote:
KTDA had a tender out to transport 75000 tonnes of fertilizer. The rate provided was 6.5Kshs/tonne/km (or approximate US 6.5 cents/tonne/km).

http://www.ktdateas.com/...NSPORT%20FOR%202016.pdf

They secured more than 1000 trucks for its transport, first shipment arrived of 38000tonnes and was finished in one and a half weeks. Such is the competition in the industry, and the capacity available in the trucking industry.

Now SGR is said to reduce the cost of transport from current US 20 cents/tonne/km with trucks. The market is already at 6 US cents/tonne if above practical experience is anything to go by.

FYI: Using current railway, a container costs 120K to move from MSA to nairobi, and 90K by road. I dont see the game changer of SGR in terms of transport.


The government will simply increase the road usage tax by trucks to make the road transport expensive.
You cant beat the gaament especially if the said project is her "star achievement".
Sad

majority of transporters are voters ......... JAP members ..... check out what is happening in the Matatu sector and replicate therein smile

was that tender ever fulfilled at that rate? That's approx KES209 Million to Nairobi alone, assuming a 400 KM distance. Does KTDA publish itemized expenses? Then we can confirm whether or not this cost was matched.
murchr
#378 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2016 5:54:03 AM
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Park

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rahatupu
#379 Posted : Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:33:55 PM
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murchr wrote:
Park






Calling on animal rights activists please educate me how this designed railway will be harmful to lion's Kingdom
Siringi
#380 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 12:13:38 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
murchr wrote:
Park






Calling on animal rights activists please educate me how this designed railway will be harmful to lion's Kingdom


the noise will scare them smile

Halafu the line should be camouflaged and painted green
Do animals see colours?
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