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Government & SUPKEM on DSTV saga. tip of an iceberg?
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#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36:30 PM
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We have conflicting reports about who ordered closure of video and DSTV dens in north eastern province. The North Eastern Provincial Commissioner James Ole Serian has denied reports that Muslim clerics have banned movie theatres and DSTV channels in Mandera town. (EASTANDARD....
DStv has been banned in North Eastern Province by the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims. Also outlawed are video dens, blamed for eroding moral values among the youth and causing poor academic performance.(DN)
As these reports continue to flood our minds lets hope this is not a sign of things to come and that it remains the only confusion we shall have to endure as we count down to the referendum
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masukuma
#2 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:28:48 AM
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I listened to the nation's new yesterday. Robert Nagila said at the end of that story that in an interview with the SUPKEM Mandera branch chairman, the man had said he had ordered the closure.
Obviously the PC's and SUPKEM hq version is a cover-up after "sh*t hit the fan", but we expect more now from them.
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Ngalaka
#3 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:07:47 AM
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Smacks of damage control attempt.

A sort of quick exercise to contain the public mood.
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brav
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:22:19 AM
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@Ngalaka hii ni nini?

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henudo
#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:52:10 AM
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Let us not just consume what we hear on TV without investigating further.

Have a look at this article which clears the whole issue.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201004270964.html

Below is the most interesting bit.

"I want to clarify a report appearing in both the local print and broadcast media that alleged that Sheikhs closed DSTv and video dens in Mandera. The truth is that the Mandera district security committee met in September last year and resolved to close all video dens," the administrator said in a message sent out to the media.

According to Mr Seriani, the district security committee was targeting halls that show immoral videos, those that hide criminals and aliens, those that admit school children when they are supposed to be in school and those that operate without license or sell drugs.
Sigiriri
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:54:54 AM
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Tip of an iceberg indeed....as more room is given, soon they will ban music stations, then enforce dress codes etc....have u heard they are proposing to ban miraa and alcohol sale in NEP too?

wrong action, at the wrong time.

Dont listen to me though, am just extrapolating the graph...
gadj
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:49:47 AM
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With this kind of behavior from our Muslim brethren nor wonder the christian pastors don't want the Kadhi courts.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:13:25 PM
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Kenya is NOT a secular state, well there is only one state religion, Islam. Sponsored by the government (my taxes) and enshrined in the constitution.

What is this talk that "the kadhis courts are in the old constitution"...well we want them out!!! what is sooooo hard understanding there. Ati if we vote NO they will remain there, so lets vote NO so it can penetrate their (politicians and COE Commission of Elitist) thick skulls that we do not want them! or remove them now before we vote NO. The tide is turning, check the comments on nation on the dstv issue. And when the funding to fight this kadhis courts comes in, you will be in for a shock!

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/re...2/-/qg8y6lz/-/index.html
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:29:36 PM
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I am not sure what to say but the clergy been raising this issue about Kadhis courts since 2005.

I think we need to take a listen plus,why do some people talk as if consensus ever hurt anyone? going ahead with this thing when we know that Kenya is actually a majority Christian country is ill-advised. I am pleading ignorance ( before everyone comes out calling me names) but i think this katiba hype ( that we NEED it NOW) has been blow out of proportion
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:51:06 PM
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its called being denied freedom to access information surely the supkem is doing wonders as we see so lets wait until the constitution passes then .......
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:01:11 PM
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By advocating the ban of Kadhi courts out of islamophobia and misinformation, is it not christian fundamentalism, is it not similar to the muslim fundamentalism that you claim to be fighting and saving Kenya from.

Somebody quote for me in the bible where jesus directed his desciples and followers to take this path
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masukuma
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:34:06 PM
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@obi, its not a ban, they can have their courts - OUTSIDE the constitution, what is their loss other than paying directly to its support?
@famooz actually the church has been opposing the courts since 2002 that first draft be4 even Narc took power.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:25:39 PM
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The constitution is meant to ensure among others equitable distribution of benefits to all kenyans, including to protect minorities. The churches are banking on the arguement that christians are more to intimidate the country into disenfranchising the muslims.

As for paying for the costs of the court, what difference does it make, if the muslims don't have the Kadhi courts to resolve their cases, they will still go to the mainstream courts, so the government will still incur the expense.
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famooz
#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:33:56 PM
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@ obi,but my little imagination would think that it would not be an extra cost?
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:34:46 PM
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brav wrote:
@Ngalaka hii ni nini?

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It's a signature!!
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Ngalaka
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:41:47 PM
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@Obi 1 Kanobi
How about all the other minorities.
The Hindu, Boharas, traditionalists, Mungikis etc.

Mark you those are only religious minorities.

There are other minorities in other spheres, like what Machange the MP from Kuria has been talking about.
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:19:34 PM
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@Ngalaka inform him that the above named dudes have matters of Inheritance, Marriage, Divorce e.t.c. that they handle.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:09:22 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:

@Obi 1 Kanobi
How about all the other minorities.
The Hindu, Boharas, traditionalists, Mungikis etc.

Mark you those are only religious minorities.

There are other minorities in other spheres, like what Machange the MP from Kuria has been talking about.


@Ngalaka,
I think the point we are missing or choosing to ignore is that Islam comes with a package of going to Mecca (if you can afford), praying 5 times a day, kadhis courts, fasting etc. Accepting their right to worship includes accomodating all the requirements of their religion. (By the way, Muslims are allowed to have 4 wives in the UK, on basis of their religion)

The other minorities you are referring to have also received everything they need to freely worship, as far as I know christians, hindus or bohras do not need a court to completely practise their religion.

Besides, islam does not restrict entry, any kenyan can convert.

As for Machage, his idea of minority starts and ends with his Kuria people, I am not sure I understand why he thinks they are being marginalised, all i know is that he wants them to have their own county, may be my family should also have its own county.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:17:23 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
.... Accepting their right to worship includes accomodating all the requirements of their religion......


At public cost? All taxpayers' expense?
masukuma
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:24:18 PM
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@Obi, Muslims don't need to have a constitutional court to practice their faith either. Just do a research of how many countries have Kadhi courts or equivalents. For the worlds largest singular religion - they are very very few! ama the Kenyan Muslim is a special brand of Muslims.
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