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Tanzania - What do you want from Kenya?
masukuma
#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:06:28 PM
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I believe TZ is not our problem. Kwani they should always support us? wako na priorities zao! Sisi tujipange! Rwanda and UG will also take care of their interests we should just ensure that interests align and we shall not have problems. Hakuna urafiki... ni interests.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:54:14 PM
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urstill1 wrote:



Maybe he is against travelling to nations doing better than his. His first visit outside Tz was Rwanda, where he spent '3' days. That was after 5 months into the presidency. His last foreign visit was a month later when he went to Ug for a day. Since early May he hasn't been outside Tz. I think he is trying to court the two countries since they are landlocked and that means a lot of opportunities for Tz. He seems to be against donor countries.

But he also missed the Rwanda Au meeting and some other in Addis
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:55:12 PM
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Any one who has lived in TZ will tell you they follow Kenyan news religiously while most Kenyans know only their musicians. At 9pm,they Tz will be glued to their sets for Citizen news.

If you visit a chemist huko mikoani,they ask you whether you want Kenya medicine meaning original au ya kawaida.
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murchr
#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:03:49 PM
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The only problem I have with TZ is they are playing dirty on the EU deal. Trying so hard to sabotage Kenya
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Alba
#35 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:13:38 PM
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I agree we have too many problems that we need not worry about TZ because they are among the least of our problems. The Chief justice said we are a country of bandits. Our problems start there. Let Kenyans fix this problem first.

Don't worry about whether Magufuli likes Kenyans.
At least he is better than that thug museveni who sent his goons to beat up a Kenyan female AP at migingo island.

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:05:47 AM
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Wazua's sister across the border also focuses on Kenya sometimes

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quicksand
#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:48:06 AM
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Alba wrote:
I agree we have too many problems that we need not worry about TZ because they are among the least of our problems. The Chief justice said we are a country of bandits. Our problems start there. Let Kenyans fix this problem first.

Don't worry about whether Magufuli likes Kenyans.
At least he is better than that thug museveni who sent his goons to beat up a Kenyan female AP at migingo island.



I disagree. We need to worry about Tz...especially when it comes to trade with blocs like the EU. A bloc like EAC can negotiate a better deal than a country going it alone. The question we need to ask is whether Tz and Ug or any other country in the EAC bloc are getting an equitable deal. If we are shafting Tz then they have a right to be surly, but if by trading in the EAC bloc Tz will gain more than if they went it alone or if they are in another bloc like SADC, then they are being petulant and short-sighted. That Kenya will gain more should be of secondary concern ..that is like saying you won't take a promotion because your colleague is also getting a promotion and will earn slightly more.
If all the Eastern African nations are consumed by these internal wrangles, the EUs, China, US and other trading partners will benefit by our reduced negotiating power.
I understand the balance of trade directives that Magufuli made regarding imports from Kenya, but this stuff with the EU is bs. I see no merit in what Tz is doing, other than a decades old chip-in-the-shoulder that Kenya will "benefit more".
On the other hand, we have things we need to correct. Our mega-corruption is devouring our efficiency and cost of doing business. Tz is right in killing the SGR if the cost is artificially inflated. We should not export our crap to other countries.
washiku
#38 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:36:20 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I have always felt it's a competition/argument between dwarves on how tall each is....


but still an argument nonetheless.

I am so happy you cleared that for us


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#39 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:28:31 PM
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quicksand wrote:
Alba wrote:
I agree we have too many problems that we need not worry about TZ because they are among the least of our problems. The Chief justice said we are a country of bandits. Our problems start there. Let Kenyans fix this problem first.

Don't worry about whether Magufuli likes Kenyans.
At least he is better than that thug museveni who sent his goons to beat up a Kenyan female AP at migingo island.



I disagree. We need to worry about Tz...especially when it comes to trade with blocs like the EU. A bloc like EAC can negotiate a better deal than a country going it alone. The question we need to ask is whether Tz and Ug or any other country in the EAC bloc are getting an equitable deal. If we are shafting Tz then they have a right to be surly, but if by trading in the EAC bloc Tz will gain more than if they went it alone or if they are in another bloc like SADC, then they are being petulant and short-sighted. That Kenya will gain more should be of secondary concern ..that is like saying you won't take a promotion because your colleague is also getting a promotion and will earn slightly more.
If all the Eastern African nations are consumed by these internal wrangles, the EUs, China, US and other trading partners will benefit by our reduced negotiating power.
I understand the balance of trade directives that Magufuli made regarding imports from Kenya, but this stuff with the EU is bs. I see no merit in what Tz is doing, other than a decades old chip-in-the-shoulder that Kenya will "benefit more".
On the other hand, we have things we need to correct. Our mega-corruption is devouring our efficiency and cost of doing business. Tz is right in killing the SGR if the cost is artificially inflated. We should not export our crap to other countries.


I am with quicksand, TZ shares the longest border with us, they are our neighbour and good neighborliness demands that we are nosy about their affairs and worry if they don't smile at us.

The EU deal is a case in point, even his missing TICAD is a major issue for me.
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alma1
#40 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:34:53 PM
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Why do you worry so much about Tanzania? I've realised the most people making noise about TZ have never been to Namamga.

They are running the business the best way the know how. If that means refusing Kenyans, that's what it means. I saw the very same fellows here saying how the refugee camp in NE should be closed.

Who told you TZ's don't think you are refugees too.

Let watu wa TZ wafanye kazi yao. You have yet to solve this issue of traffic jams in Nairobi alafu mwakimbia TZ?
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