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Law Capping interest rates
Impunity
#801 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 8:37:45 AM
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Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Spikes
#802 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 8:50:14 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!



Under current abattoir conditions it should be pm.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Lolest!
#803 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 8:50:26 AM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!

Tricky.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Spikes
#804 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 8:55:14 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!



Under current abattoir conditions it should be pm.



I have not received KCB SMS so far.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Impunity
#805 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:04:12 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!



Under current abattoir conditions it should be pm.


Even pm its still not believable, that would be 6% pa...hapa kuna vile sielewi.

I think it was 1.5% pm, the same rate chharged by some SACCOS....which comes to 18% pa...

Remember Mpsa charges 7.5% pm which is 90% pa.

I will wait to see.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#806 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:08:30 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Spikes wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!



Under current abattoir conditions it should be pm.



I have not received KCB SMS so far.


Me-three.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Chaka
#807 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:16:55 AM
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Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Impunity wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
Forwarded as received;

KCB MPESA wrote:
Dear Customer, KCB M-PESA Soft loan is now Available at 0.5% interest as from Ksh50,000 to 250,000 if intrested Call or text: 0780006999 for more information.


Many small timers already left out!d'oh! d'oh!


Is it 0.5% pm or per day?
d'oh!



Under current abattoir conditions it should be pm.



I have not received KCB SMS so far.


Me-three.

LOL...Truecaller says that 0780006999,belongs to one 'Mwizi Sugu Conman'?
Ash Ock
#808 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:20:33 AM
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Chaka wrote:

LOL...Truecaller says that 0780006999,belongs to one 'Mwizi Sugu Conman'?


Laughing out loudly

Was just about to post this:


Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
watesh
#809 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:39:15 AM
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Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 969
Location: Kenya
Ash Ock wrote:
Chaka wrote:

LOL...Truecaller says that 0780006999,belongs to one 'Mwizi Sugu Conman'?


Laughing out loudly

Was just about to post this:



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly people are already taking advantage
jerry
#810 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:40:30 AM
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Joined: 9/29/2006
Posts: 2,570
Ash Ock wrote:
Chaka wrote:

LOL...Truecaller says that 0780006999,belongs to one 'Mwizi Sugu Conman'?


Laughing out loudly

Was just about to post this:



We need to know if the msg was through SMS, email, Twitter,....
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Njung'e
#811 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 9:51:32 AM
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Joined: 2/7/2007
Posts: 11,935
Location: Nairobi
Ash Ock wrote:
Chaka wrote:

LOL...Truecaller says that 0780006999,belongs to one 'Mwizi Sugu Conman'?


Laughing out loudly

Was just about to post this:




Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .....KENYANs.Pray Applause Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ...but this goes to say that,somewhere ahead,a smart Kenyan will bring forth a product that will confirm that the doomsayers/banks are donkeys.smile
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Lolest!
#812 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 10:46:07 AM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
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Location: Kianjokoma
Caveman wrote:
BANKING SECTOR EXPLOITING KENYANS
by Billow Kerrow

President Uhuru’s signing of the bill capping interest rates charged by banks will be his signature legacy, better than the SGR. Its a momentous decision that will change the fortunes of many Kenyans who have suffered under the choking exploitation of the banks. All the talk that his action will hurt poor Kenyans more is hogwash, and a desperate move by our bankers to intimidate Kenyans. Banks are licensed by the Govt as a service provider, and must appreciate that they are bound by the interests of Kenyans and not their greed. The President should now warn CBK and Treasury to operationalize it expeditiously, and enforce it. He should tell the banks that they must work within the business environment created by Govt, within the economic policies set by it and work in the best interest of Kenyans. Here are the reasons I agree with the President:-
Kenya is a goldmine for banks. In 2013, three of our banks earned the highest return on capital in the world! Equity at 55%, NBK at 53% & KCB at 40%. The average return in Africa was 24% which was double that of the rest of the world. Europe’s was only 4%! Folks, we work just for banks!
Our banks made a staggering shs 135 billion in profits last year, whilst most of our business made huge losses, including most of the blue chip companies listed on NSE. In 2014, they made shs 140 billion! Yet, 60% of their profits is from interest on loans & advances, at least sh 80 billion!
We have the highest number of banks per head in Africa….it must be the attraction of the huge returns! 44 commercial banks; 12 Microfinance institutions; & 180 deposit-taking SACCOs.
The total non-performing loans (NPLs) to the total loans and advances ratio in Kenya is 6.3%, fairly low compared to many countries in Africa; only South Africa & Nigeria have lower rates. Hence, it cannot be an excuse for the high interest rates. The doubtful loans, or NPLs as they call it in banks, at March 2016 was shs 170 billion against gross bank loans of sh 2.2 trillion! in fact, the so-called risk sector such as personal/household loans is only sh 32 billion.
The balance sheet value of the 44 commercial banks last year was sh 3.6 trillion; the shareholder funds in all these banks was only sh 543 billion, most of it retained profit! Are Kenyans helping? Our deposits were sh 2.6 trillion, far more than their advances. Currently, interest on deposits represents only 36% of their total expenses….they nearly enjoy free money!
The bill proposes higher deposit rates, at 70% of the lending rate, in order to reduce the gap between the rate they lend at, and the rate they take deposits. Currently, you deposit your money at around 5% and borrow at 18%. That gap will now reduce significantly. This law will encourage more Kenyans to save and deposit their money in commercial banks, thereby increasing our national savings ratio, and expanding their total deposits, more advances and better liquidity. Our savings ratio at 11% is one of the lowest in Africa, worse than Uganda & Tanzania and most low income countries that average well above 20%.
Out of the sh 2.2 trillion advances, sh 332 billion is to the SMEs. If this sector is risky as the banks allege, they would not have given such a huge amount of loans. Most of these advances are performing well. After all, the loans to SMEs represent only 23%. There is no such thing as a risky sector; banks must assess risks for each customer and not punish Kenyans indiscriminately. Global rejection of unsecured loans is punitive, and primitive. CBK must protect customers from such unfair, unethical practices designed to hit back at Kenyans.
Over 76 countries cap interest rates, including Europe, US, Africa and Asia, including 24 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nothing strange about such a law; lets move on!. Meanwhile, MPs should delve deeper to direct flow of capital to productive sectors through regulation too!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
jgithige
#813 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 10:59:04 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
[quote=Caveman]BANKING SECTOR EXPLOITING KENYANS
by Billow Kerrow

President Uhuru’s signing of the bill capping interest rates charged by banks will be his signature legacy, better than the SGR. Its a momentous decision that will change the fortunes of many Kenyans who have suffered under the choking exploitation of the banks. All the talk that his action will hurt poor Kenyans more is hogwash, and a desperate move by our bankers to intimidate Kenyans. Banks are licensed by the Govt as a service provider, and must appreciate that they are bound by the interests of Kenyans and not their greed. The President should now warn CBK and Treasury to operationalize it expeditiously, and enforce it. He should tell the banks that they must work within the business environment created by Govt, within the economic policies set by it and work in the best interest of Kenyans. Here are the reasons I agree with the President:-
Kenya is a goldmine for banks. In 2013, three of our banks earned the highest return on capital in the world! Equity at 55%, NBK at 53% & KCB at 40%. The average return in Africa was 24% which was double that of the rest of the world. Europe’s was only 4%! Folks, we work just for banks!
Our banks made a staggering shs 135 billion in profits last year, whilst most of our business made huge losses, including most of the blue chip companies listed on NSE. In 2014, they made shs 140 billion! Yet, 60% of their profits is from interest on loans & advances, at least sh 80 billion!
We have the highest number of banks per head in Africa….it must be the attraction of the huge returns! 44 commercial banks; 12 Microfinance institutions; & 180 deposit-taking SACCOs.
The total non-performing loans (NPLs) to the total loans and advances ratio in Kenya is 6.3%, fairly low compared to many countries in Africa; only South Africa & Nigeria have lower rates. Hence, it cannot be an excuse for the high interest rates. The doubtful loans, or NPLs as they call it in banks, at March 2016 was shs 170 billion against gross bank loans of sh 2.2 trillion! in fact, the so-called risk sector such as personal/household loans is only sh 32 billion.
The balance sheet value of the 44 commercial banks last year was sh 3.6 trillion; the shareholder funds in all these banks was only sh 543 billion, most of it retained profit! Are Kenyans helping? Our deposits were sh 2.6 trillion, far more than their advances. Currently, interest on deposits represents only 36% of their total expenses….they nearly enjoy free money!
The bill proposes higher deposit rates, at 70% of the lending rate, in order to reduce the gap between the rate they lend at, and the rate they take deposits. Currently, you deposit your money at around 5% and borrow at 18%. That gap will now reduce significantly. This law will encourage more Kenyans to save and deposit their money in commercial banks, thereby increasing our national savings ratio, and expanding their total deposits, more advances and better liquidity. Our savings ratio at 11% is one of the lowest in Africa, worse than Uganda & Tanzania and most low income countries that average well above 20%.
Out of the sh 2.2 trillion advances, sh 332 billion is to the SMEs. If this sector is risky as the banks allege, they would not have given such a huge amount of loans. Most of these advances are performing well. After all, the loans to SMEs represent only 23%. There is no such thing as a risky sector; banks must assess risks for each customer and not punish Kenyans indiscriminately. Global rejection of unsecured loans is punitive, and primitive. CBK must protect customers from such unfair, unethical practices designed to hit back at Kenyans.
Over 76 countries cap interest rates, including Europe, US, Africa and Asia, including 24 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nothing strange about such a law; lets move on!. Meanwhile, MPs should delve deeper to direct flow of capital to productive sectors through regulation too!
[/quote

@Mutahi Ngunyi quoted,"Banks are the most INDECENT institutions. They do not even have toilets for CUSTOMERS.


"Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
Njung'e
#814 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 11:09:35 AM
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jgithige wrote:
[quote=Lolest!][quote=Caveman]

@Mutahi Ngunyi quoted,"Banks are the most INDECENT institutions. They do not even have toilets for CUSTOMERS.




This may seem petty but i just looked around at 6 banks within my vicinity. Jesus!!. It's so true!!Pray
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mlennyma
#815 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 11:13:17 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
jgithige wrote:
[quote=Lolest!][quote=Caveman]

@Mutahi Ngunyi quoted,"Banks are the most INDECENT institutions. They do not even have toilets for CUSTOMERS.




This may seem petty but i just looked around at 6 banks within my vicinity. Jesus!!. It's so true!!Pray

its only recently they introduced some seats in halls,you could collapse in a queue without worrying nobody except the soldier
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Impunity
#816 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 11:37:20 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
jgithige wrote:
[quote=Lolest!][quote=Caveman]

@Mutahi Ngunyi quoted,"Banks are the most INDECENT institutions. They do not even have toilets for CUSTOMERS.




This may seem petty but i just looked around at 6 banks within my vicinity. Jesus!!. It's so true!!Pray


Shit at home before going to the banking halls.
Core bizness for banks is financial, not shitty matters!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Realtreaty
#817 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 12:51:15 PM
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Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.
FRM2011
#818 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 1:04:24 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
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Realtreaty wrote:
Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.


Seriously ?? Back to reality. Co-op bank went on the offensive from Saturday by offering to buy loans from other banks. When customers started asking for loan statements from their banks to move to co-op, it was each man for himself.

I have just received a message from KCB informing they have officially reduced their rates for new loans. They aren't waiting for the Gazette notice. And get this, they are waiting for CBK to advise on how to handle existing loans. The two largest banks in kenya have implemented the law. Does it matter what sidian does ?

Let's drop the scare-mongering. It was never going to work and am glad some of us have been Sat by as much from kitabo. It is the "experts" who have been warning us of a major credit squeeze that we should be worried about.
Impunity
#819 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 1:16:33 PM
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Posts: 26,328
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FRM2011 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.


Seriously ?? Back to reality. Co-op bank went on the offensive from Saturday by offering to buy loans from other banks. When customers started asking for loan statements from their banks to move to co-op, it was each man for himself.

I have just received a message from KCB informing they have officially reduced their rates for new loans. They aren't waiting for the Gazette notice. And get this, they are waiting for CBK to advise on how to handle existing loans. The two largest banks in kenya have implemented the law. Does it matter what sidian does ?

Let's drop the scare-mongering. It was never going to work and am glad some of us have been Sat by as much from kitabo. It is the "experts" who have been warning us of a major credit squeeze that we should be worried about.


Equity's JM is still in a shock to make the new adjustments...he will go the Barklays and Stanchat pre-2005!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

wukan
#820 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 2:07:50 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,590
FRM2011 wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Kenya Bank Cap = Brexit Sad Sad d'oh! d'oh!
I feel we screwed ourselves.
Majority of bank users are not borrowers but investors
Uhuru protected these minority borrowers and forgot majority investors who have lost loads of investment. How much has the govt lost in the process?
I do not know where to start in cleaning my house.
When banks are infected the the virus spreads to other investment arms like Industrial, Agric, commercial etc
Now its time Banks closed most of the offices thereby affecting the boom in housing.
A balance must be sorted out soonest.
If firms are getting cheaper loan, why would a company like Ketepa Kenya sell its third grade tea at that high cost? Why would property in land be such speculative and costly
Everything will be coming down, even Education
I can see Salaries dropping.
Remember, Kenyans should not expect Salary reviews next year, in fact be ready for redundancies.


Seriously ?? Back to reality. Co-op bank went on the offensive from Saturday by offering to buy loans from other banks. When customers started asking for loan statements from their banks to move to co-op, it was each man for himself.

I have just received a message from KCB informing they have officially reduced their rates for new loans. They aren't waiting for the Gazette notice. And get this, they are waiting for CBK to advise on how to handle existing loans. The two largest banks in kenya have implemented the law. Does it matter what sidian does ?

Let's drop the scare-mongering. It was never going to work and am glad some of us have been Sat by as much from kitabo. It is the "experts" who have been warning us of a major credit squeeze that we should be worried about.


KCB, Equity, Coop need to go out aggressively it's a volume game for them but I don't think the actuaries are done with the models. You can only grown your loan book to the extent that you are able to grow your capital. As for the credit squeeze that one take time. Watched that movie "The big shot"? Credit crunch is utterly slow and boring but it's a mathematical certainty . There is cost of equity and return on equity. Waiting for the banks to come for capital raising. KCB tried for 10b and the market wanted to give them capital at below book value(28)

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