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Uhuru's own goal
urstill1
#61 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 6:53:11 PM
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Wamunyota wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, mbona majuu loans interest ni single digit and the economy is ok? How do banks survive there in the US? or Federal reserve rate ni 1%????

Kuna factors nyingi zinacontribute kwa kuset up interest rate.Kwa mfano inflation,exchange rates,economic growth etc.The rate of inflation is currently about 6.5%.The CBK sets the risk free rate which is the minimum rate of interest can be charged excluding the risks.The banks then considers the risk of the clients and adds a margin to charge the customers.How the MPs determined is 4% i have no idea.


... cost of doing business.
newfarer
#62 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 8:28:45 PM
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Wamunyota wrote:
newfarer wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, mbona majuu loans interest ni single digit and the economy is ok? How do banks survive there in the US? or Federal reserve rate ni 1%????

No reply to this thus uhuru made the best decision by a Kenyan president. These sharks including his own had to be tamed

Hii sychophancy ya uhuru itawamaliza.Could you demontrate how this is the best decision by a kenyan president?



Pole Maich,after you Bankers are done with throwing tantrums, proponents of this law will be vindicated. Ever paid a loan at 20% and felt how hard it is to remain sane?
punda amecheka
Caveman
#63 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 8:41:03 PM
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Why isn't the fuel industry collapsing or leading to an economic downturn and yet the retail prices are set by ERC?
Those saying Uhuru made a mistake by signing the bill into law are not sincere. I tend to think they hold shares in these banks and are just protecting their investments.
I will be back later.
Impunity
#64 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 8:56:32 PM
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Caveman wrote:
Why isn't the fuel industry collapsing or leading to an economic downturn and yet the retail prices are set by ERC?
Those saying Uhuru made a mistake by signing the bill into law are not sincere. I tend to think they hold shares in these banks and are just protecting their investments.
I will be back later.


Stay in your cave as advised, raise your head at your own risk.
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thuks
#65 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 9:01:56 PM
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Caveman wrote:
Why isn't the fuel industry collapsing or leading to an economic downturn and yet the retail prices are set by ERC?
Those saying Uhuru made a mistake by signing the bill into law are not sincere. I tend to think they hold shares in these banks and are just protecting their investments.
I will be back later.


Industry is flourishing considering new entrants I have seen recently. We may just be suprised.
Is the rate fixed or on reducing balance though?
I care!
dunkang
#66 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:47:41 AM
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Nandwa wrote:


Yeah, the then big banks shunned the small guy on the streets in favour of "persons" of better credit worthiness. Subsequently, interest rates were relatively ok.
Then Equity happened.
This new kid on the block treaded where others feared, but there was a catch - due to the segments risks, they put a premium on the interest they charge.
Any wonder then that even todate Equity is amongst the highest interest chargers in the market!

Seeing that the establishment's bank was not shy to charge high rates, other banks joined the dance.
And now we are where we are!

You are either a liar or drunk.

Pre-2002, loan rates were not any better than now, with risky loans or not.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

dunkang
#67 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:59:21 AM
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Wamunyota wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Can someone please tell me if we have other key players in the economy apart from the banks?

Secondly I am being told that the economy is already on its knees barely three days after the law capping interest rates was signed...does it mean all the key players in the economy are making losses?

I am a baba mboga and so far I have not noticed anything yet!

@wamunyota, please educate me on these scareconomics, otherwise, gucia ukiumaga.

Baba mboga may not be affected as yet but this
is not very good for the economy.
p Losers
Stock Price % Gain
KCB 27.00 -10.00
EQUITY 29.50 -9.92
I&M 87.00 -9.84
HFCK 13.95 -9.71
COOP 10.80 -9.6

Boss, are you against rates cap because of the stock market?

Anyone remember Safaricom calling rate from 8/- to 3/-? Did they die?

kuweni serious wajamaa
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Wakanyugi
#68 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:25:30 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Wamunyota wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
I remember when Michuki reduced the sitting/standing capacity in matatus and some thought the industry would collapse because they would not make money, or wanjiku would not afford bus fare.

Banking industry is not the same as matatu industry.No one is telling wanjiku that she will have to walk to work and hang on the overcrowded trains.Brace yourselves.

to those who understand the blue section, please confirm to me kama nimetusiwo smile


Wooi, umetukanwo, tena ile mbaya.

Kama ingekuwa mimi ningeenda huko blue section na nyahunyo. Wangetambua mimi, na hiyo maneno yao ndefu.
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Lolest!
#69 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 8:38:14 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Wamunyota wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Can someone please tell me if we have other key players in the economy apart from the banks?

Secondly I am being told that the economy is already on its knees barely three days after the law capping interest rates was signed...does it mean all the key players in the economy are making losses?

I am a baba mboga and so far I have not noticed anything yet!

@wamunyota, please educate me on these scareconomics, otherwise, gucia ukiumaga.

Baba mboga may not be affected as yet but this
is not very good for the economy.
p Losers
Stock Price % Gain
KCB 27.00 -10.00
EQUITY 29.50 -9.92
I&M 87.00 -9.84
HFCK 13.95 -9.71
COOP 10.80 -9.6

Boss, are you against rates cap because of the stock market?

Anyone remember Safaricom calling rate from 8/- to 3/-? Did they die?

kuweni serious wajamaa
actually it was from nahuko 32 bob

Safcom is stronger today. Banks should innovate
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Baratang
#70 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:48:29 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Nandwa wrote:


Yeah, the then big banks shunned the small guy on the streets in favour of "persons" of better credit worthiness. Subsequently, interest rates were relatively ok.
Then Equity happened.
This new kid on the block treaded where others feared, but there was a catch - due to the segments risks, they put a premium on the interest they charge.
Any wonder then that even todate Equity is amongst the highest interest chargers in the market!

Seeing that the establishment's bank was not shy to charge high rates, other banks joined the dance.
And now we are where we are!

You are either a liar or drunk.

Pre-2002, loan rates were not any better than now, with risky loans or not.

This @nandwa fellow has no clue what the interest rates were just before 2002...they were in the region of 35% and there were some banks who were charging 38%...you couple these with other annual hidden charges and you were at 42% to 45%!!!
The sky never fell as @maichblack and @wamunyota wants us to believe will happen now.
nostoppingthis
#71 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:00:20 PM
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Wamunyota wrote:
So in his wisdom our able president ignored expert advice in enacting the bill on capping the interest rates.He chose votes over economic stability.He did not want to start conflicts with the MPs after shadow boxing them to join the jubilee party.He chose the easy route.The more popular route.The economy is now completely f***ed.The banks have already lost 47BIRRION In their value.
The economic meltdown has started.The popularity politics he was protecting will come back to bite his ass.
His only hope is now for Raila to run for president so that they can tell us about how Raila cannot be president.
This is a big fraud.My kalocal cannot buy more stocks because the banks are no longer offering unsecured loans.He cannot but a tuktuk because the loan on motor vehicles have been freezed.
The economic credit crunch have started.The exchange rate to the dollar is going back to 115.He can as well vote for himself.
Sasa tutakura raha aje kama kakuna pesa?


I have never seen bankers care about the common mwananchi like they do after UMK signed the bill...unprecedented compassion from the banks..
Lolest!
#72 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:29:00 PM
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Baratang wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Nandwa wrote:


Yeah, the then big banks shunned the small guy on the streets in favour of "persons" of better credit worthiness. Subsequently, interest rates were relatively ok.
Then Equity happened.
This new kid on the block treaded where others feared, but there was a catch - due to the segments risks, they put a premium on the interest they charge.
Any wonder then that even todate Equity is amongst the highest interest chargers in the market!

Seeing that the establishment's bank was not shy to charge high rates, other banks joined the dance.
And now we are where we are!

You are either a liar or drunk.

Pre-2002, loan rates were not any better than now, with risky loans or not.

This @nandwa fellow has no clue what the interest rates were just before 2002...they were in the region of 35% and there were some banks who were charging 38%...you couple these with other annual hidden charges and you were at 42% to 45%!!!
The sky never fell as @maichblack and @wamunyota wants us to believe will happen now.

what?

Who was borrowing?
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Impunity
#73 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:27:58 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Wamunyota wrote:
So in his wisdom our able president ignored expert advice in enacting the bill on capping the interest rates.He chose votes over economic stability.He did not want to start conflicts with the MPs after shadow boxing them to join the jubilee party.He chose the easy route.The more popular route.The economy is now completely f***ed.The banks have already lost 47BIRRION In their value.
The economic meltdown has started.The popularity politics he was protecting will come back to bite his ass.
His only hope is now for Raila to run for president so that they can tell us about how Raila cannot be president.
This is a big fraud.My kalocal cannot buy more stocks because the banks are no longer offering unsecured loans.He cannot but a tuktuk because the loan on motor vehicles have been freezed.
The economic credit crunch have started.The exchange rate to the dollar is going back to 115.He can as well vote for himself.
Sasa tutakura raha aje kama kakuna pesa?


I have never seen bankers care about the common mwananchi like they do after UMK signed the bill...unprecedented compassion from the banks..


Boss,his interesting interest rate cap imekutowa pango gani? 😮
Long time!

By the way we need a similar "draconian law" for this shitter called Kenya Power.
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washiku
#74 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:11:31 PM
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alma1
#75 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:11:26 AM
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What Uhuru's own goal...

Let me quote

Willing seller, willing buyer.

We told you but you woke up at 4 am to get the jaruo out...

Now just shut up and get used to it.


After all, you shall wake up at 4am 2017....We know you shall. Itumbi is betting on it...

It's a foregone conclusion...

Now go get some milk in the fridge and sleep.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Caveman
#76 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:59:13 AM
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BANKING SECTOR EXPLOITING KENYANS
by Billow Kerrow

President Uhuru’s signing of the bill capping interest rates charged by banks will be his signature legacy, better than the SGR. Its a momentous decision that will change the fortunes of many Kenyans who have suffered under the choking exploitation of the banks. All the talk that his action will hurt poor Kenyans more is hogwash, and a desperate move by our bankers to intimidate Kenyans. Banks are licensed by the Govt as a service provider, and must appreciate that they are bound by the interests of Kenyans and not their greed. The President should now warn CBK and Treasury to operationalize it expeditiously, and enforce it. He should tell the banks that they must work within the business environment created by Govt, within the economic policies set by it and work in the best interest of Kenyans. Here are the reasons I agree with the President:-
Kenya is a goldmine for banks. In 2013, three of our banks earned the highest return on capital in the world! Equity at 55%, NBK at 53% & KCB at 40%. The average return in Africa was 24% which was double that of the rest of the world. Europe’s was only 4%! Folks, we work just for banks!
Our banks made a staggering shs 135 billion in profits last year, whilst most of our business made huge losses, including most of the blue chip companies listed on NSE. In 2014, they made shs 140 billion! Yet, 60% of their profits is from interest on loans & advances, at least sh 80 billion!
We have the highest number of banks per head in Africa….it must be the attraction of the huge returns! 44 commercial banks; 12 Microfinance institutions; & 180 deposit-taking SACCOs.
The total non-performing loans (NPLs) to the total loans and advances ratio in Kenya is 6.3%, fairly low compared to many countries in Africa; only South Africa & Nigeria have lower rates. Hence, it cannot be an excuse for the high interest rates. The doubtful loans, or NPLs as they call it in banks, at March 2016 was shs 170 billion against gross bank loans of sh 2.2 trillion! in fact, the so-called risk sector such as personal/household loans is only sh 32 billion.
The balance sheet value of the 44 commercial banks last year was sh 3.6 trillion; the shareholder funds in all these banks was only sh 543 billion, most of it retained profit! Are Kenyans helping? Our deposits were sh 2.6 trillion, far more than their advances. Currently, interest on deposits represents only 36% of their total expenses….they nearly enjoy free money!
The bill proposes higher deposit rates, at 70% of the lending rate, in order to reduce the gap between the rate they lend at, and the rate they take deposits. Currently, you deposit your money at around 5% and borrow at 18%. That gap will now reduce significantly. This law will encourage more Kenyans to save and deposit their money in commercial banks, thereby increasing our national savings ratio, and expanding their total deposits, more advances and better liquidity. Our savings ratio at 11% is one of the lowest in Africa, worse than Uganda & Tanzania and most low income countries that average well above 20%.
Out of the sh 2.2 trillion advances, sh 332 billion is to the SMEs. If this sector is risky as the banks allege, they would not have given such a huge amount of loans. Most of these advances are performing well. After all, the loans to SMEs represent only 23%. There is no such thing as a risky sector; banks must assess risks for each customer and not punish Kenyans indiscriminately. Global rejection of unsecured loans is punitive, and primitive. CBK must protect customers from such unfair, unethical practices designed to hit back at Kenyans.
Over 76 countries cap interest rates, including Europe, US, Africa and Asia, including 24 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nothing strange about such a law; lets move on!. Meanwhile, MPs should delve deeper to direct flow of capital to productive sectors through regulation too!
harrydre
#77 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:57:27 PM
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These tantrums remind me of digital migration.
i.am.back!!!!
Wamunyota
#78 Posted : Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:37:33 PM
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hardwood
#79 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 10:24:02 AM
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Interesting World Bank paper on interest rate caps.

http://documents.worldba...9083943/pdf/WPS7070.pdf


Swenani
#80 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2016 10:24:38 AM
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Caveman wrote:
BANKING SECTOR EXPLOITING KENYANS
by Billow Kerrow

President Uhuru’s signing of the bill capping interest rates charged by banks will be his signature legacy, better than the SGR. Its a momentous decision that will change the fortunes of many Kenyans who have suffered under the choking exploitation of the banks. All the talk that his action will hurt poor Kenyans more is hogwash, and a desperate move by our bankers to intimidate Kenyans. Banks are licensed by the Govt as a service provider, and must appreciate that they are bound by the interests of Kenyans and not their greed. The President should now warn CBK and Treasury to operationalize it expeditiously, and enforce it. He should tell the banks that they must work within the business environment created by Govt, within the economic policies set by it and work in the best interest of Kenyans. Here are the reasons I agree with the President:-
Kenya is a goldmine for banks. In 2013, three of our banks earned the highest return on capital in the world! Equity at 55%, NBK at 53% & KCB at 40%. The average return in Africa was 24% which was double that of the rest of the world. Europe’s was only 4%! Folks, we work just for banks!
Our banks made a staggering shs 135 billion in profits last year, whilst most of our business made huge losses, including most of the blue chip companies listed on NSE. In 2014, they made shs 140 billion! Yet, 60% of their profits is from interest on loans & advances, at least sh 80 billion!
We have the highest number of banks per head in Africa….it must be the attraction of the huge returns! 44 commercial banks; 12 Microfinance institutions; & 180 deposit-taking SACCOs.
The total non-performing loans (NPLs) to the total loans and advances ratio in Kenya is 6.3%, fairly low compared to many countries in Africa; only South Africa & Nigeria have lower rates. Hence, it cannot be an excuse for the high interest rates. The doubtful loans, or NPLs as they call it in banks, at March 2016 was shs 170 billion against gross bank loans of sh 2.2 trillion! in fact, the so-called risk sector such as personal/household loans is only sh 32 billion.
The balance sheet value of the 44 commercial banks last year was sh 3.6 trillion; the shareholder funds in all these banks was only sh 543 billion, most of it retained profit! Are Kenyans helping? Our deposits were sh 2.6 trillion, far more than their advances. Currently, interest on deposits represents only 36% of their total expenses….they nearly enjoy free money!
The bill proposes higher deposit rates, at 70% of the lending rate, in order to reduce the gap between the rate they lend at, and the rate they take deposits. Currently, you deposit your money at around 5% and borrow at 18%. That gap will now reduce significantly. This law will encourage more Kenyans to save and deposit their money in commercial banks, thereby increasing our national savings ratio, and expanding their total deposits, more advances and better liquidity. Our savings ratio at 11% is one of the lowest in Africa, worse than Uganda & Tanzania and most low income countries that average well above 20%.
Out of the sh 2.2 trillion advances, sh 332 billion is to the SMEs. If this sector is risky as the banks allege, they would not have given such a huge amount of loans. Most of these advances are performing well. After all, the loans to SMEs represent only 23%. There is no such thing as a risky sector; banks must assess risks for each customer and not punish Kenyans indiscriminately. Global rejection of unsecured loans is punitive, and primitive. CBK must protect customers from such unfair, unethical practices designed to hit back at Kenyans.
Over 76 countries cap interest rates, including Europe, US, Africa and Asia, including 24 countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nothing strange about such a law; lets move on!. Meanwhile, MPs should delve deeper to direct flow of capital to productive sectors through regulation too!


very good analysis!
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