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kaka2za
#41 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 6:12:21 PM
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hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
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ZZE123 wrote:
Until public transport is managed by the government the sector will always be in chaos


Govt tried Nyayo bus and it failed. Kanjo was a big shareholder in Kenya Bus and it failed. Govt has no business running business. Let govt do its bit of collecting taxes and using the taxes to build and maintain roads and other infrastructure. Then the businessmen and companies can run the matatus and buses.



Not exactly true. London transport,arguably the best in the world is run by the metropolitan. Ditto for other major cities.
KBS didn't fail,it was made to fail!


The "London metropolitan" doesn't own any buses nor does it employ any drivers, managers, mechanics etc. All they do is to contract private companies to run buses on the various london bus routes, and the contract states what age, size, colour etc the buses should be. Also timings and fares. The companies are paid a certain pre-agreed amount for each km covered.

It's much like Kidero "tendering/selling" the various nairobi bus routes to saccos and then kidero demanding and monitoring that that they meet certain requirements for them to be allowed to operate. Just like Kenya's Transport Licensing Board has been doing, licensing saccos to operate on specific route, only that here kidero or govt doesn't pay the matatus and buses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Buses




In short,they run the system don't they?


No they control/regulate the system. "Run" is a strong term that suggests that they own and operate a fleet of buses, like what stagecoach/kbs/kanjo used to do in nairobi.


Quote:London Buses is the subsidiary of Transport for London (TfL) that manages bus services within Greater London. It was formed following the Greater London Authority Act 1999 that transferred control of Greater London's bus services from National Government's London Regional Transport to the Mayor of London.

May be I should check the meaning of 'run'
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hardwood
#42 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 6:34:23 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:




In short,they run the system don't they?


No they control/regulate the system. "Run" is a strong term that suggests that they own and operate a fleet of buses, like what stagecoach/kbs/kanjo used to do in nairobi.


Quote:London Buses is the subsidiary of Transport for London (TfL) that manages bus services within Greater London. It was formed following the Greater London Authority Act 1999 that transferred control of Greater London's bus services from National Government's London Regional Transport to the Mayor of London.

May be I should check the meaning of 'run'


I think the correct term should be that it has "outsourced" the service. Such that every 5yrs they invite companies to bid and provide bus services on the various routes. In Kenya when people say that they want the govt to run the public service, i believe they mean they want a situation like in Addis, Ethiopia where the govt owns and manages the buses and trams.

Our system is more like that in london as opposed to addis, because our TLB and nairobi City Council licenses companies/sacco to operate in specific routes. Though our govt doesnt pay the matatus/buses for teh service unlike in london. From an economic point of view, I think our system is more superior than that in london since our taxpayers money isn't used at all to avail a public transport system in nairobi.
hardwood
#43 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 6:39:58 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org...n_of_London_bus_services
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The privatisation of London bus services was the process of the transfer of operation of London Buses from public bodies to private companies.

For half a century, operation of London bus services for public transport was under the direct control of a number of entities known as London Transport. The London Regional Transport Act 1984 resulted in London Regional Transport taking control of London's bus routes, with the operation divested in stand alone companies that were privatised in 1994/95.

Since then, direct provision of bus services in London has been run by private companies, although Transport for London did operate its own company, East Thames Buses between 1999 and 2009.

Unlike those in the rest of the United Kingdom, the bus services in London, although still ultimately privatised, were not deregulated to the same extent. In London, details of routes, fares and services levels were still specified by public bodies, with the right to run the services contracted to private companies on a tendered basis.

The privatised period produced for the first time buses in London painted in different schemes from the traditional red. This ceased following a 1997 edict that London buses be 80% red.



Quote:
Transport for London's key areas of direct responsibility through London Buses are the following:

-planning new bus routes
-revising existing bus routes
-specifying service levels
-monitoring service quality
-management of bus stations and bus stops
-assistance in 'on ground' set up of diversions, bus driver assistance in situations over and above job requirements, for example Road Accidents
-providing information for passengers in the form of timetables and maps at bus stops and online, and an online route planning service
-producing leaflet maps, available from Travel Information Centres, libraries etc., and as online downloads.
-operating CentreComm London Buses' 24‑hour command-and-control centre based in Southwark


All bus operations are undertaken under a tendering system in which operators bid for routes in return for a set price per route operated. Contracts are normally for five years, with two-year extensions available if performance criteria is met.[3] Routes are set up, controlled and tendered out by Transport For London (TfL) and they provide day to day assistance via CentreComm which coordinates a large scale network of Network Traffic Controllers to help with any traffic issues that may occur. Operators provide staff to drive the buses, provide the buses to operate and also adhere to set TfL guidelines. Operators are then in return paid per mile that each bus runs, the pricing is announced on new tenders.
hardwood
#44 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:07:10 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...386814-3s6j2e/index.html

The comments on that article are very interesting.
Speculz
#45 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:23:57 PM
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Public transport services are not really meant to be run for profit and most successful systems are subsidized by the government.
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kayhara
#46 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:52:07 AM
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This story of mass transit buses is just funny, yani no one notes that you are adding more buses to the already many buses in the city?
Just organize the CBD and you will solve a huge part of the problem ie
-Why does 2NK and the rest park all their 3000 matatus at Tea room, that River road-Accra junction gets very messy especially in the evening.
Why does the train run only few times per day? I think if they had trips every 2 hours it would help.


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