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Law Capping interest rates
mkate_nusu
#461 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 12:03:56 AM
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Everyone seems to be an expert on this topic
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guru267
#462 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 8:19:47 AM
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mkate_nusu wrote:
Everyone seems to be an expert on this topic


Except those thinking that there is some political risk.
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Deuteronomy 4:16
obiero
#463 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 8:44:43 AM
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guru267 wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
Everyone seems to be an expert on this topic


Except those thinking that there is some political risk.

Opinions are valid.. Let us all talk as Kenyans

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MaichBlack
#464 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 12:29:41 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
This law was to affect banks only or all lenders..... Whole of lending financial institutions including microfinance?

It is specifically banks.. Shylocks, loansharks, safcon etc are exempt for now. How the media has decided on behalf of the president to state that he shall not sign is in bad taste

You guys have a lot to learn. You think a reporter or an editor wakes up one morning and dreams this things up and writes them with such conviction (not as an opinion, but as a fact)?

In politics and big business, you sometimes leak information (on purpose!) either to test the waters or to reduce the impact of the actual announcement. For example, the impact of the announcement that the bill will not be signed will not be that major when people are already "aware" it will not be signed. From a different angle, you could also do it to test the reaction either to change or modify your decision or to be prepared for the reaction and plan for it.

You should be asking yourselves where these reporters/editors got all these specifications facts including figures and why they had the guts to publish them as facts!

You should try the same @Obiero. Even at home. Having information that you might be planning to marry a second wife leaked to your wife...

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

On a light note (about the second wife).
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MaichBlack
#465 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 12:33:45 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
This law was to affect banks only or all lenders..... Whole of lending financial institutions including microfinance?

It is specifically banks.. Shylocks, loansharks, safcon etc are exempt for now. How the media has decided on behalf of the president to state that he shall not sign is in bad taste

Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Pesa Nane
#466 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 3:58:08 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
This law was to affect banks only or all lenders..... Whole of lending financial institutions including microfinance?

It is specifically banks.. Shylocks, loansharks, safcon etc are exempt for now. How the media has decided on behalf of the president to state that he shall not sign is in bad taste


One more time.

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
FRM2011
#467 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:10:27 AM
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The most vocal and persistent advocate for capping of interest rates has been cofek, the consumer rights lobby group.

After Equity released Q.2 results on Monday, this is what they posted on Twitter;

"How can a bank make 440bn in six months?" Seems nobody there can tell the difference between assets and profit.

Today, they will be holding a protest to pressure the president to sign the bill.

Banks must be smiling knowing the pro-capping group only has icpak as a serious voice. The rest are loud-mouthed opportunists with no coherent economic argument.
KulaRaha
#468 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:26:31 AM
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So what about non-bank rates like saccos, safaricom etc?
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Angelica _ann
#469 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:27:13 AM
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Now that noise making has reduced, the president will return that Bill to parliament without the masses knowing!!!
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The Great
#470 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:10:33 AM
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Why are we still on this topic? He was never signing. Arguement for or against dont help anyone.
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The Great
#471 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:12:42 AM
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Borrow if he signs, borrow if he does not sign. Only difference is your margins
"Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
maka
#472 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:13:15 AM
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The Great wrote:
Why are we still on this topic? He was never signing. Arguement for or against dont help anyone.


Market ime beat we need to talk about something/anything.
possunt quia posse videntur
muganda
#473 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:16:21 PM
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BREAKING: President Uhuru Kenyatta assents to bill capping bank interest rates.
maka
#474 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:19:16 PM
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muganda wrote:
BREAKING: President Uhuru Kenyatta assents to bill capping bank interest rates.


Yes he has...
possunt quia posse videntur
muganda
#475 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:20:24 PM
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maka wrote:
muganda wrote:
BREAKING: President Uhuru Kenyatta assents to bill capping bank interest rates.


Yes he has...

STATEMENT BY H.E. UHURU KENYATTA, PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA AND COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE DEFENCE FORCES, ON THE BANKING (AMENDMENT) ACT 2015

On July 28, 2016, the National Assembly passed the Banking (Amendment) Bill, 2015. The Bill intends to regulate interest rates that are applicable to banks' loans and deposits, capping the interest rates that banks can charge on loans and must pay on deposits.

In line with the Constitution of Kenya the Bill was presented to me, for appropriate action as required by law.

Since receiving this Bill, I have consulted widely and it is clear to me from those consultations that Kenyans are disappointed and frustrated with the lack of sensitivity by the financial sector, particularly banks. These frustrations are centred around the cost of credit and the applicable interest rates on their hard-earned deposits. I share these concerns.

This is the third time that the National Assembly is attempting to reduce interest rates to affordable levels. In the previous two instances, dialogue and promises of change prevailed and banks avoided the introduction of these caps. In those instances, banks failed to live up to their promises and interest rates have continued to increase along with the spreads between the deposit and lending rates.

Despite having one of the most efficient and effective financial markets, Kenya has one of the highest returns-on-equity for banks in the African continent. Banks need to do more to reduce the cost of credit and ensure that the benefits of the vibrant financial sector are also felt by their customers.

Upon weighing carefully all these considerations, on balance, I have assented to the Bill as presented to me. We will implement the new law, noting the difficulties that it would present, which include credit becoming unavailable to some consumers and the possible emergence of unregulated informal and exploitative lending mechanisms.

We will closely monitor these difficulties, particularly as they relate to the most vulnerable segments of our population. Whilst doing so, my Government will also accelerate other reform measures necessary to reduce the cost of credit and thereby create the opportunities that will move our economy to greater prosperity.

We recognize that banks have done much in the last decade in terms of innovation and promoting financial inclusion and look to their doing more in that direction.

We also reiterate our commitment to free market policies in driving sustainable economic growth, to which we owe much of our success.


Uhuru Kenyatta, CGH
President of the Republic of Kenya
Wednesday 24th August 2016
wukan
#476 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:27:33 PM
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I kept wondering what would trigger the NSE-20 to complete wave C to sub 3000 levels. Enjoy the wild ride down
Swenani
#477 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:30:08 PM
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Uhuru has been blackmailed!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
KulaRaha
#478 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:30:46 PM
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Watch credit dry up....
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
researchfirst
#479 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:30:49 PM
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muganda wrote:
maka wrote:
muganda wrote:
BREAKING: President Uhuru Kenyatta assents to bill capping bank interest rates.


Yes he has...

STATEMENT BY H.E. UHURU KENYATTA, PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA AND COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE DEFENCE FORCES, ON THE BANKING (AMENDMENT) ACT 2015

On July 28, 2016, the National Assembly passed the Banking (Amendment) Bill, 2015. The Bill intends to regulate interest rates that are applicable to banks' loans and deposits, capping the interest rates that banks can charge on loans and must pay on deposits.

In line with the Constitution of Kenya the Bill was presented to me, for appropriate action as required by law.

Since receiving this Bill, I have consulted widely and it is clear to me from those consultations that Kenyans are disappointed and frustrated with the lack of sensitivity by the financial sector, particularly banks. These frustrations are centred around the cost of credit and the applicable interest rates on their hard-earned deposits. I share these concerns.

This is the third time that the National Assembly is attempting to reduce interest rates to affordable levels. In the previous two instances, dialogue and promises of change prevailed and banks avoided the introduction of these caps. In those instances, banks failed to live up to their promises and interest rates have continued to increase along with the spreads between the deposit and lending rates.

Despite having one of the most efficient and effective financial markets, Kenya has one of the highest returns-on-equity for banks in the African continent. Banks need to do more to reduce the cost of credit and ensure that the benefits of the vibrant financial sector are also felt by their customers.

Upon weighing carefully all these considerations, on balance, I have assented to the Bill as presented to me. We will implement the new law, noting the difficulties that it would present, which include credit becoming unavailable to some consumers and the possible emergence of unregulated informal and exploitative lending mechanisms.

We will closely monitor these difficulties, particularly as they relate to the most vulnerable segments of our population. Whilst doing so, my Government will also accelerate other reform measures necessary to reduce the cost of credit and thereby create the opportunities that will move our economy to greater prosperity.

We recognize that banks have done much in the last decade in terms of innovation and promoting financial inclusion and look to their doing more in that direction.

We also reiterate our commitment to free market policies in driving sustainable economic growth, to which we owe much of our success.


Uhuru Kenyatta, CGH
President of the Republic of Kenya
Wednesday 24th August 2016


This is going to push consolidation in the banking sector further. Banks with lots of non-interest income will benefit at the expense of smaller lenders. Fellow wazuans, look very carefully at banks income streams before buying.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#480 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:32:28 PM
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Kudos to those who believed in the good fight.

But for some reason, I have a feeling that there's a catch somewhere. Waiting for the implementation details.
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