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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
muandiwambeu
#5261 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 12:00:41 PM
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obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
sparkly wrote:
[quote=ArrestedDev]
They have realized that liquidating assets is not the solution.

Quote:
The company’s management, which was expecting to raise about Sh2.25 billion from the transactions, has now decided to sell only five acres to Kemsa and shelve the other transaction. The land sold to Kemsa has been rented by the government’s medical logistics provider for decades.


http://www.nation.co.ke/...35632-uaqmkr/index.html[/quote]
Even if they sell off all assets, they will still be left with a 35B hole.




Hard drugs, sorry hard truth!

Time will tell.. Only 51 odd days to end of a marvelous H1


Time already told. Historical data says liabilities exceed assets by 35B. If marvelous = 1B profit after tax, KQ needs a 35 marvelouses to equate assets and liabilities.

in other words and literally17 years and six months to pay shareholders a cent. however on growth basis, making an ass of you and me, ie assuming growth to be an average annualised net profit of 5b, seven years and six months. @obiero hiyo hesabu ya karne na decades mimi miaka yangu ailewi. how old is @obiero?

@obiero is close to 30 years old.. hio hesabu imewekwa na maadui wa KQ, the negative equity issue shall be addressed in the next 2 weeks by a new equity injection of KES 60B.. we shall be all balanced out with positive equity

,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#5262 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 8:54:09 PM
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majimaji wrote:

Anyone can test the robustness of the KQ business by asking themselves this simple question:If KQ was a bank, would you put your money there?


What an insightful question!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#5263 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2016 9:03:07 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
sparkly wrote:
[quote=ArrestedDev]
They have realized that liquidating assets is not the solution.

Quote:
The company’s management, which was expecting to raise about Sh2.25 billion from the transactions, has now decided to sell only five acres to Kemsa and shelve the other transaction. The land sold to Kemsa has been rented by the government’s medical logistics provider for decades.


http://www.nation.co.ke/...35632-uaqmkr/index.html[/quote]
Even if they sell off all assets, they will still be left with a 35B hole.




Hard drugs, sorry hard truth!

Time will tell.. Only 51 odd days to end of a marvelous H1


Time already told. Historical data says liabilities exceed assets by 35B. If marvelous = 1B profit after tax, KQ needs a 35 marvelouses to equate assets and liabilities.

Here's a thought.
Instead of putting in KES 60bn into KQ's current operations aka Black Hole...
KK has 1.5bn shares. At 20/- each = 30bn. KK (expects) to make KES 2.5bn PAT after the 400mn KPRL write-off.

So KQ can start earning KES 2.5bn PAT with just a 30bn investment. And KK can manage the fuel supply instead of KQ's (corrupt) finance folks who handled derivatives.

Instead of 35 marvelous years making KES 1bn... KQ can fill the 35bn hole in less than 10 years [increasing profits] if Ohana is left alone. Eventually, let a competent guy like Ohana run KQ.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
murchr
#5264 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 1:54:18 AM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ArrestedDev
#5265 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:09:57 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
sparkly wrote:
[quote=ArrestedDev]
They have realized that liquidating assets is not the solution.

Quote:
The company’s management, which was expecting to raise about Sh2.25 billion from the transactions, has now decided to sell only five acres to Kemsa and shelve the other transaction. The land sold to Kemsa has been rented by the government’s medical logistics provider for decades.


http://www.nation.co.ke/...35632-uaqmkr/index.html[/quote]
Even if they sell off all assets, they will still be left with a 35B hole.




Hard drugs, sorry hard truth!

Time will tell.. Only 51 odd days to end of a marvelous H1


Time already told. Historical data says liabilities exceed assets by 35B. If marvelous = 1B profit after tax, KQ needs a 35 marvelouses to equate assets and liabilities.

Here's a thought.
Instead of putting in KES 60bn into KQ's current operations aka Black Hole...
KK has 1.5bn shares. At 20/- each = 30bn. KK (expects) to make KES 2.5bn PAT after the 400mn KPRL write-off.

So KQ can start earning KES 2.5bn PAT with just a 30bn investment. And KK can manage the fuel supply instead of KQ's (corrupt) finance folks who handled derivatives.

Instead of 35 marvelous years making KES 1bn... KQ can fill the 35bn hole in less than 10 years [increasing profits] if Ohana is left alone. Eventually, let a competent guy like Ohana run KQ.


Some sense there. A competent individual and team of senior managers will deliver better results. Ohana is indeed a living testimony. Sell assets and use it specifically to retire debt starting with the most expensive one.
ArrestedDev
#5266 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:17:34 AM
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murchr wrote:


Marginal growth as compared to the previous year. If it cannot buy a cup of tea, do you expect it pay off the expensive loans and hedging losses and still turn a profit? It is not possible. The ebola explanation given previously was just trying to lay blame on anything that was on the headlines. The real monster in the room is poor commercial strategy including ticket pricing. Without a substantial Commercial director, there is nothing to celebrate going forward.
obiero
#5267 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:18:39 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
murchr wrote:


Marginal growth as compared to the previous year. If it cannot buy a cup of tea, do you expect it pay off the expensive loans and hedging losses and still turn a profit? It is not possible. The ebola explanation given previously was just trying to lay blame on anything that was on the headlines. The real monster in the room is poor commercial strategy including ticket pricing. Without a substantial Commercial director, there is nothing to celebrate going forward.

The cup of tea phrase was elaborative speech.. Fact is more cash is being brought in by the increasing passenger numbers.. 28% jump is significant

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#5268 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 1:12:38 PM
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32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
jerry
#5269 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 1:42:52 PM
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obiero wrote:
32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Who can tell the guests when KQ last paid a dvd? The guests are now 3!
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
VituVingiSana
#5270 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:12:33 PM
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obiero wrote:
32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#5271 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:06:43 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad

Pray Pray
http://bankelele.co.ke/2...07/kqoperationpride.html

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#5272 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:34:45 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad

Pray Pray
http://bankelele.co.ke/2...7/kqoperationpride.html[/quote]
Good for KQ but these initiatives will not fill the 35bn hole any time soon. Perhaps 5-10bn from the sale of assets.

Good luck. [Unfortunately, @VVS will probably see his taxes flushed down the loo for an additional 1 year]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#5273 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:37:25 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad

Pray Pray
http://bankelele.co.ke/2...7/kqoperationpride.html[/quote]
Good for KQ but these initiatives will not fill the 35bn hole any time soon. Perhaps 5-10bn from the sale of assets.

Good luck. [Unfortunately, @VVS will probably see his taxes flushed down the loo for an additional 1 year]

@vvs give 2 weeks or so.. finishing touches on the PJT Partner plan shall be released.. This stock will shock

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#5274 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:42:21 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad

Pray Pray
http://bankelele.co.ke/2...7/kqoperationpride.html[/quote]
Good for KQ but these initiatives will not fill the 35bn hole any time soon. Perhaps 5-10bn from the sale of assets.

Good luck. [Unfortunately, @VVS will probably see his taxes flushed down the loo for an additional 1 year]

@vvs give 2 weeks or so.. finishing touches on the PJT Partner plan shall be released.. This stock will shock

Good Luck.
In the meantime, I await my (2,233 x 0.15 x 95%) dividend from KK.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#5275 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:21:32 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero]32 GUESTS on this thread.. Why ignore??

Watching my taxes being flushed down the toilet... Sad Sad Sad

Pray Pray
http://bankelele.co.ke/2...7/kqoperationpride.html[/quote]
Good for KQ but these initiatives will not fill the 35bn hole any time soon. Perhaps 5-10bn from the sale of assets.

Good luck. [Unfortunately, @VVS will probably see his taxes flushed down the loo for an additional 1 year]

@vvs give 2 weeks or so.. finishing touches on the PJT Partner plan shall be released.. This stock will shock


Injection of new capital will not solve the problems that KQ is facing overnight. The 60 billion that you are quoting here is a figure that came out of the blues. The figure required is more than that considering the loan book stands at 100+ billion before other payments needed to be paid to suppliers.

Bankele's article - There is nothing tangible there. Maintenance costs soared in 2015/16 despite the fact that bigger aircrafts were not operated. A paltry 38% reduction in fuel cost yet fuel efficient aircrafts were operated. Reducing in-flight meals is a recipe for loss of customers. Cutting on staff training/travel is a recipe for poor service delivery. Handling contracts are standard and always comes with a fixed price i.e. as per the aircraft MOTW ( maximum take off weight)/ few options in terms of suppliers. Changing flight schedule with the hope of wooing EK pax (esp. Indians) is day dreaming.Only increase in sales will result in an improved performance.

Whether there is new capital injection or debt conversion into equity without a competent team with proven aviation experience then this turnaround will be an exercise in futility. KQ need to fly and generate revenue. The highest paid pilots need to be utilized to generate revenue, the same applies to the senior executives.
hisah
#5276 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:28:24 PM
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Still holding on the 3.70 low. Very interested in this behaviour after a huge loss. Have the sellers given up?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
obiero
#5277 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:36:13 PM
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hisah wrote:
Still holding on the 3.70 low. Very interested in this behaviour after a huge loss. Have the sellers given up?

And today we rose to 4.10

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
maka
#5278 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:58:16 PM
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obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Still holding on the 3.70 low. Very interested in this behaviour after a huge loss. Have the sellers given up?

And today we rose to 4.10


He he he 4.10 Laughing out loudly
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obiero
#5279 Posted : Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:48:49 AM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Still holding on the 3.70 low. Very interested in this behaviour after a huge loss. Have the sellers given up?

And today we rose to 4.10


He he he 4.10 Laughing out loudly

@maka whats funny bro.. that was the high jana and we are not looking back. this one will shake the NSE. KQ will make me some cash soon and very very soon

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Impunity
#5280 Posted : Wednesday, August 10, 2016 9:10:16 AM
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obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Still holding on the 3.70 low. Very interested in this behaviour after a huge loss. Have the sellers given up?

And today we rose to 4.10


He he he 4.10 Laughing out loudly

@maka whats funny bro.. that was the high jana and we are not looking back. this one will shake the NSE. KQ will make me some cash soon and very very soon


Your broker makes more money from trading KQ shares than you.
FACT!
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