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The race to the presidency is a race towards the 270 electoral votes needed. it's not a popularity contest it's how widely acceptable you are. so there are places where Trump is guaranteed to win - akina Texas e.t.c and places like New York and California will be swept by Hillary. The issue is the battle ground states - hapo ndio maneno iko - so called battleground states and he is not doing well in those ones. These are Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia... Arizona is joining that list. in 2012 Mitt Romney had 206 electoral college votes. the actual was  <-- he needs to win all red states that Mitt won and steal some blue states from Hillary Currently the top 3 states with the highest tipping-point chance are Florida (43% to 39%), Pennsylvania (46% to 40%) Ohio (41% to 39%)Your candidate is not doing too good on those states. Don't argue with the dataAll Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:The race to the presidency is a race towards the 270 electoral votes needed. it's not a popularity contest it's how widely acceptable you are. so there are places where Trump is guaranteed to win - akina Texas e.t.c and places like New York and California will be swept by Hillary. The issue is the battle ground states - hapo ndio maneno iko - so called battleground states and he is not doing well in those ones. These are Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia... Arizona is joining that list. in 2012 Mitt Romney had 206 electoral college votes. the actual was <-- he needs to win all red states that Mitt won and steal some blue states from Hillary Currently the top 3 states with the highest tipping-point chance are Florida (43% to 39%), Pennsylvania (46% to 40%) Ohio (41% to 39%)Your candidate is not doing too good on those states. Don't argue with the data My friend we are in 2016, not 2012. And the issues of today eg ISIS, homegrown terror, runaway immigration, radicalization, bad trade deals etc are different from the issues back then. Same with the voting patterns. And Trump seems to strike the right cord regarding the issues of today. The white american feels besieged in his own country and feels that it is only Trump who can get back his country to him.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:The race to the presidency is a race towards the 270 electoral votes needed. it's not a popularity contest it's how widely acceptable you are. so there are places where Trump is guaranteed to win - akina Texas e.t.c and places like New York and California will be swept by Hillary. The issue is the battle ground states - hapo ndio maneno iko - so called battleground states and he is not doing well in those ones. These are Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia... Arizona is joining that list. in 2012 Mitt Romney had 206 electoral college votes. the actual was <-- he needs to win all red states that Mitt won and steal some blue states from Hillary Currently the top 3 states with the highest tipping-point chance are Florida (43% to 39%), Pennsylvania (46% to 40%) Ohio (41% to 39%)Your candidate is not doing too good on those states. Don't argue with the data My friend we are in 2016, not 2012. And the issues of today eg ISIS, homegrown terror, runaway immigration, radicalization, bad trade deals etc are different from the issues back then. Same with the voting patterns. And Trump seems to strike the right cord regarding the issues of today. The white american feels besieged in his own country and feels that it is only Trump who can get back his country to him. Where is your data? i figure that makes you that confident? especially in the battle ground states. if the 538 Electoral College votes up for grabs are to be visualized - this is how they would look  based on current polls <-- this is how the cookie is going to crumble. the Hillbillies making noise and calling immigrants disrespectful names may not tip the scales as much as you think they will. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Masukuma, Depends on data from where, from who and for what. Democracy itself is a sham. You think data is safe and trustworthy? You really trust that data? Did you think US presidential debates were open and fair? Think again
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Democracy is an ideal that people work towards....asymptotically close to it but never getting there. Presidential debates are important in some countries but not in all countries and should not be used as indicators of democracy or "undemocracy" (if such a term exists). On the poll data - I have made it my life's philosophy to never argue with data... especially if I don't have any other data. bad data is TRUMPS no data any day! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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There's been this talk that Trump could be looking for an excuse to exit the race! Quote:Since the Republican National Convention, he has made blunder after blunder. He seems to be doing everything possible to show that he wants out.
Republican Party leaders are getting the message. They're in a panic, we're told, and have begun looking into options for replacing Trump if he were to make the unprecedented decision to drop out.
We've never seen this sort of thing in the history of presidential politics. Then again, we've never seen a candidate quite like Trump. And the GOP has good reason to be wary that their nominee's heart is no longer in the right place. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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hardwood wrote:enyands wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:
There is a report that shows that the only demographic group he is leading in is that of "Male white voters" <-- how small tent is that? ! !
It is not small as you are putting it considering the current population composition of the US. It is huge. A candidate should appeal to "white male voters" since they are key in the society and the most important demographic group, which Trump has. They are the ones who fought for uhuru and founded the US and have a huge stake in the running of the country. A candidate being supported only by women and immigrants would have serious legitimacy issues. That is why Americans want to take back charge of their country and make America great again. Just like the founding fathers envisioned. Population of the US. 72.41% White 12.61% Black 9.11% Other/Multiracial 4.75% Asian 1.12% Native I don't see latino here.these data is baseless and doctored to suit someone's argument. Just bs. There is no latino here ,the population of latino has been added to the white intentionally. And the people he claim to build a wall on will never vote him and that's why Charles njonjo syndrome guy intentionally omitted the Hispanic adding them to the mzungu. Please lie to small kids If I give trump 50% of white male uneducated, 1%black,2% latino,0% Asian, 0% others of all college electoral votes there is no way ,no way he will win. Romney had 22 % of latino and almost 60% White and he lost what about this DT.  Firstly, your data is very old (2010) since the current population is 323.7m souls as at April 2016, and hispanics/latinos are a tiny 16%. Secondly, Americans vote on issues, not tribes and races as you are implying. And that is why Trump is doing quite well regarding the issues affecting Americans. The voters trust that he is the man to sort things out.  OK I agree with the exclusion I made that America has no tribes but one question why did you exclude the latino in your data? And about americans population data I'm going to load it to you in a moment .forget the one for 2010... Now I found data.as you can note the population I gave you for 2010 and this one for 2013 you can show there is an increase of 1% Hispanic population and a decrease of 1% White . If we can go by that we should expect maybe 18% latino now,and now having threaten to build a wall trust me a good chunk of 18% will go blue. Stop living in denial and data don't lie. Trump could be having valid points but in America Politics you have to play by rules of the game makers .I don't know details about American politics as much as you do but I know better for kenyan politics since I live here. There are current talks he wants to bow out and a third force is being made incase he choses to bow out . 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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masukuma wrote:Democracy is an ideal that people work towards....asymptotically close to it but never getting there. Presidential debates are important in some countries but not in all countries and should not be used as indicators of democracy or "undemocracy" (if such a term exists). On the poll data - I have made it my life's philosophy to never argue with data... especially if I don't have any other data. bad data is TRUMPS no data any day! Data. Data. Once upon a time, someone with exquisite credentials (data) came with a vial (exactly like the ones used in laboratories, data) and it was full of white powder and then he said that someone else could launch it in 45 minutes (data) and so there was need to stop him before he did. Data. I always question data. I am not gullible, and I do not get my knowledge from cartoons. I thought you said you are one who relies on examination, testing. I am wondering why and how you now say you have a philosophy, your personal belief about how to live or how to deal with this situation, that you accept as authoritative. Why are you bringing your faith in this debate? Or is it one of those Jekyll moments? Lol.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:Democracy is an ideal that people work towards....asymptotically close to it but never getting there. Presidential debates are important in some countries but not in all countries and should not be used as indicators of democracy or "undemocracy" (if such a term exists). On the poll data - I have made it my life's philosophy to never argue with data... especially if I don't have any other data. bad data is TRUMPS no data any day! Data. Data. Once upon a time, someone with exquisite credentials (data) came with a vial (exactly like the ones used in laboratories, data) and it was full of white powder and then he said that someone else could launch it in 45 minutes (data) and so there was need to stop him before he did. Data. I always question data. I am not gullible, and I do not get my knowledge from cartoons. I thought you said you are one who relies on examination, testing. I am wondering why and how you now say you have a philosophy, your personal belief about how to live or how to deal with this situation, that you accept as authoritative. Why are you bringing your faith in this debate? Or is it one of those Jekyll moments? Lol. Question data WITH DATA! or even a sniff test.... anyway - we shall see if the data they are all using in the polls are right or wrong in November. The proof of the pudding is in the eating! I don't argue with data especially if I don't have any on my hands and I cannot touch the said object of discussion/argument. on Nations of America - well, if americans vote for issues why then do we have "Red" states vs "Blue" states? Every state should be a battle ground state!  there is a culture at play - everyone is a product of their environment and it informs their worldview. Someone classified the US into 11 nations with different values and priorities - http://www.businessinsid...he-united-states-2015-7
 Mzungu sio Mzungu! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Masukuma, what came first the chicken or the egg? What produces what? Data produces the results? Or results produce the data? Are people affected by their type of environment? Or is the environment affected by type of people in it? Your faith is new and your dissonance is remarkable. As for Americans and their elections, I expect a most colourful charade with red, blue and white banners and blimps (of data). If you find them working out issues that matter e.g. world peace etc, give me a jab. Quote:I don't argue with data especially if I don't have any on my hands and I cannot touch the said object of discussion/argument. The above statement, I will hopefully revisit it somewhere else where I will more deftly use it against you.
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