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Co-operative Bank fate.. discuss
VituVingiSana
#481 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:27:55 PM
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enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Will the BANKS bleed heavily? Were they involved in the debate to curb Interest rates and what was their take and say?
If they were doing genuine business what is their worry.
Was this the reason Barclays Africa decided to sell after enjoying unregulated period for for a Century?
Time Banks invested on the Land assets they have and enter into partnership with growing commercial and Industrial businesses.



At this point banks should forget about generating income from interest income. They should think of commissions income, deals they make with partners becausw what I'm seeing is a point where bank shares will be dead beat. Bear effect and also cbk stringent rules on npl and uncertainty about change of laws on lending interest.
Things are going to be very tough.

Banks will adapt. I believe banks shot themselves in the foot but they have been around [worldwide] for 100s of years...
1) By reducing lending to deadbeats [at higher interest rates] they will concentrate on stronger firms/borrowers. NPLs will drop. Staff numbers will drop.
*Better borrowers need less hand-holding, following up, letters, phone calls, etc. Then no need to involve lawyers, collection agents, etc*
2) Larger borrowers have more complex requirements BUT they also borrow larger amounts. The amount of work required to lend Shs 100mn is not that much more than Shs 1mn. The real margin can be maintained at a fair spread.
3) Technology: This will help bank reduce the rate of defaults by flagging bad borrowers. Or help avoid them altogether.
4) Often, T-Bills and T-Bonds yield more than CBR+4%. So banks have an outlet for their funds.
5) Assuming "current" accounts aren't affected by the 70% of T-Bill rate interest then banks will make Savings Accounts unattractive esp for smaller savers. Raise the minimum to 100,000/- and you (sadly) wipe out many small savers.
6) Lower NPLs = lower capital requirements as Basel 3 moves to Capital Requirements based on RISK of the loan book.

Finally, new products and fees. They will charge higher commitment fees, ATM charges, RTGS charges, custody fees, cheque cashing fees, etc.

Equity leads the rest of the banks in growing these other sources of income.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
enyands
#482 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:37:38 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Will the BANKS bleed heavily? Were they involved in the debate to curb Interest rates and what was their take and say?
If they were doing genuine business what is their worry.
Was this the reason Barclays Africa decided to sell after enjoying unregulated period for for a Century?
Time Banks invested on the Land assets they have and enter into partnership with growing commercial and Industrial businesses.



At this point banks should forget about generating income from interest income. They should think of commissions income, deals they make with partners becausw what I'm seeing is a point where bank shares will be dead beat. Bear effect and also cbk stringent rules on npl and uncertainty about change of laws on lending interest.
Things are going to be very tough.

Banks will adapt. I believe banks shot themselves in the foot but they have been around [worldwide] for 100s of years...
1) By reducing lending to deadbeats [at higher interest rates] they will concentrate on stronger firms/borrowers. NPLs will drop. Staff numbers will drop.
*Better borrowers need less hand-holding, following up, letters, phone calls, etc. Then no need to involve lawyers, collection agents, etc*
2) Larger borrowers have more complex requirements BUT they also borrow larger amounts. The amount of work required to lend Shs 100mn is not that much more than Shs 1mn. The real margin can be maintained at a fair spread.
3) Technology: This will help bank reduce the rate of defaults by flagging bad borrowers. Or help avoid them altogether.
4) Often, T-Bills and T-Bonds yield more than CBR+4%. So banks have an outlet for their funds.
5) Assuming "current" accounts aren't affected by the 70% of T-Bill rate interest then banks will make Savings Accounts unattractive esp for smaller savers. Raise the minimum to 100,000/- and you (sadly) wipe out many small savers.
6) Lower NPLs = lower capital requirements as Basel 3 moves to Capital Requirements based on RISK of the loan book.

Finally, new products and fees. They will charge higher commitment fees, ATM charges, RTGS charges, custody fees, cheque cashing fees, etc.

Equity leads the rest of the banks in growing these other sources of income.


Good wise arguments .holds alot of weight. Other source of revenues is the key
VituVingiSana
#483 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:50:23 PM
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For an example of a tightly controlled banking sector look at Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian banks [no foreign ownership is allowed] are hide-bound. Some [the newer or private] use newer technology, etc or offer more services BUT overall their lending is limited to a few borrowers. In Kenya, the banks lend to a diverse group of Kenyans. Yes, not all the deals work out as the NPLs show but private banks lending to the private sector allows for an increasing share of the GDP in private hands. No need for bailouts. If private firms collapse = they collapse.

Banks need to IMPROVE their lending systems/processes to identify high risk borrowers before the banks loan out the funds. They should NOT pass on the premium of poor borrowers onto good borrowers. That's what pisses off many borrowers.

If the Bill becomes Law as it is... there will be consolidation since the niches served by some banks will disappear or shrink.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#484 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:08:44 AM
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Seriously what spooked the COOP share.. This is madness

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#485 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:00:04 AM
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@Obiero
This was coming.
Lack of strategy.You can't grow a bank by cost cutting measures
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Realtreaty
#486 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:08:02 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
For an example of a tightly controlled banking sector look at Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian banks [no foreign ownership is allowed] are hide-bound. Some [the newer or private] use newer technology, etc or offer more services BUT overall their lending is limited to a few borrowers. In Kenya, the banks lend to a diverse group of Kenyans. Yes, not all the deals work out as the NPLs show but private banks lending to the private sector allows for an increasing share of the GDP in private hands. No need for bailouts. If private firms collapse = they collapse.

Banks need to IMPROVE their lending systems/processes to identify high risk borrowers before the banks loan out the funds. They should NOT pass on the premium of poor borrowers onto good borrowers. That's what pisses off many borrowers.


If the Bill becomes Law as it is... there will be consolidation since the niches served by some banks will disappear or shrink.

The Bill to cut on rates and increase rates on deposits is just too new to have been the effect trying Co-op Bank.
Apart from billions held in land and other properties C0-OP has a chest capital of over 300 Billions
VituVingiSana
#487 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:51:35 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
For an example of a tightly controlled banking sector look at Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian banks [no foreign ownership is allowed] are hide-bound. Some [the newer or private] use newer technology, etc or offer more services BUT overall their lending is limited to a few borrowers. In Kenya, the banks lend to a diverse group of Kenyans. Yes, not all the deals work out as the NPLs show but private banks lending to the private sector allows for an increasing share of the GDP in private hands. No need for bailouts. If private firms collapse = they collapse.

Banks need to IMPROVE their lending systems/processes to identify high risk borrowers before the banks loan out the funds. They should NOT pass on the premium of poor borrowers onto good borrowers. That's what pisses off many borrowers.


If the Bill becomes Law as it is... there will be consolidation since the niches served by some banks will disappear or shrink.

The Bill to cut on rates and increase rates on deposits is just too new to have been the effect trying Co-op Bank.
Apart from billions held in land and other properties C0-OP has a chest capital of over 300 Billions
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#488 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:19:28 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,220
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
For an example of a tightly controlled banking sector look at Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian banks [no foreign ownership is allowed] are hide-bound. Some [the newer or private] use newer technology, etc or offer more services BUT overall their lending is limited to a few borrowers. In Kenya, the banks lend to a diverse group of Kenyans. Yes, not all the deals work out as the NPLs show but private banks lending to the private sector allows for an increasing share of the GDP in private hands. No need for bailouts. If private firms collapse = they collapse.

Banks need to IMPROVE their lending systems/processes to identify high risk borrowers before the banks loan out the funds. They should NOT pass on the premium of poor borrowers onto good borrowers. That's what pisses off many borrowers.


If the Bill becomes Law as it is... there will be consolidation since the niches served by some banks will disappear or shrink.

The Bill to cut on rates and increase rates on deposits is just too new to have been the effect trying Co-op Bank.
Apart from billions held in land and other properties C0-OP has a chest capital of over 300 Billions
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

Cosign

KQ ABP 4.26
watesh
#489 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:53:02 PM
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Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 992
Location: Kenya
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
For an example of a tightly controlled banking sector look at Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian banks [no foreign ownership is allowed] are hide-bound. Some [the newer or private] use newer technology, etc or offer more services BUT overall their lending is limited to a few borrowers. In Kenya, the banks lend to a diverse group of Kenyans. Yes, not all the deals work out as the NPLs show but private banks lending to the private sector allows for an increasing share of the GDP in private hands. No need for bailouts. If private firms collapse = they collapse.

Banks need to IMPROVE their lending systems/processes to identify high risk borrowers before the banks loan out the funds. They should NOT pass on the premium of poor borrowers onto good borrowers. That's what pisses off many borrowers.


If the Bill becomes Law as it is... there will be consolidation since the niches served by some banks will disappear or shrink.

The Bill to cut on rates and increase rates on deposits is just too new to have been the effect trying Co-op Bank.
Apart from billions held in land and other properties C0-OP has a chest capital of over 300 Billions
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

Cosign

Lol 300billion capital?....no bank even has half that.
Boris Boyka
#490 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2016 6:59:13 AM
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Joined: 11/15/2013
Posts: 1,977
Location: Here
obiero wrote:
Seriously what spooked the COOP share.. This is madness

You. It appears you have bad blood/omen following you just like someone who when he supports a side, that side loses kama Harambee stars. Now @Obiero if we had wazua ipsos rating am sure you'd be ranked lowest and loosing publicity/liking fastest. Having misled the upcoming investors into the compost KQ covered with perfume. Now coop too. It's high time you went under, refresh and be reborn. Come back when you're sobber that you distinguish emotions and investments. Your sells were good but your buys?????? KQ PPT...is Co-op hiring you again?
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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