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The 1982 coup
mawinder
#121 Posted : Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:05:35 PM
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Impunity wrote:
TAZ wrote:
Alba wrote:

The coup was so poorly planned. It basically amounted to taking over broadcsting house. My take is that if RAO wanted to take over presidency, he would have used his connections in Eastern Europe. This was the height of the cold war and the USSR was eager to stage coups all over Africa.




I really doubt he was that influential at the time.


True,he was a mere welder graduate with no political experience at all.

He was a lecturer then according to one of his students Engineer Mark Rege.
Impunity
#122 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 4:25:48 AM
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mawinder wrote:
Impunity wrote:
TAZ wrote:
Alba wrote:

The coup was so poorly planned. It basically amounted to taking over broadcsting house. My take is that if RAO wanted to take over presidency, he would have used his connections in Eastern Europe. This was the height of the cold war and the USSR was eager to stage coups all over Africa.




I really doubt he was that influential at the time.


True,he was a mere welder graduate with no political experience at all.

He was a lecturer then according to one of his students Engineer Mark Rege.


Engineer @Mark Rege is too young to have been taught by @Bupamba.

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Alba
#123 Posted : Wednesday, August 05, 2015 3:40:38 PM
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TAZ wrote:
Alba wrote:

The coup was so poorly planned. It basically amounted to taking over broadcsting house. My take is that if RAO wanted to take over presidency, he would have used his connections in Eastern Europe. This was the height of the cold war and the USSR was eager to stage coups all over Africa.




I really doubt he was that influential at the time.


RAO was a nobody in Kenya politics in 1982. Which is why the idea that he was going to overthrow the government and become president is so ludicrous.

However his father had major connections in Eastern Europe especially the Soviet Union. Please read up on it.

In fact I have read that when Somalia first attacked Kenya soon after Independence, Jomo Kenyatta asked Oginga Odinga to plead with Soviets for military supplies because Kenya had basically no military equipment.
murchr
#124 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 7:17:45 PM
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As we remember this day, may those who perished RIP
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Alba
#125 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 8:13:51 PM
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murchr wrote:
As we remember this day, may those who perished RIP


Aside from those who perished, there are many whose livelihood was destroyed. When I see the behaviour of the Turkish president today, I see parallels to Moi in 1982. Erdogan seems intent to capitalize on the attempted coup to rid the country of any opposition.

One of the people purged by Moi was the then Air Force commander, PM Kariuki. According to the Standard, on July 14 1982, PM Kariuki warned Sawe who was the army commander as well as Mulinge the CGS and of course Moi himself.

Other reports say that before Kariuki warned Moi about the impending coup, Moi and his military brass had already been warned over a month earlier because Ochuka and his gang were going around the barracks recruiting people.

Yet Moi and Mulinge decided to let the coup go on as planned.

Instead of being rewarded, Kariuki was fired, demoted and locked up at Kamiti for 147 days. He lost his rank and all his air force benefits.

It bothers me to no end that the likes of General mahmoud Mohamed are portrayed as heros for saving Kenya from a coup while the likes of Kariuki have basically lost their livelihood. There is nothing heroic that he did. The whole coup was stage managed.

BTW one of general Muhamad's presents for "saving" Kenya is Sunview estate near Kenyatta market which was given to him free of charge. He then sold all the houses to Kenyatta hospital even though the construction was sub-standard.

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masukuma
#126 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:20:58 PM
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I have always doubted the narrative of So and So has "Serious connections in [INSERT RANDOM WHITE MAN PLACE HERE]" especially in the way they are framed. We all used to have these types of discussions when we were younger and they went something like.
Quote:

Boy 1: Leta ball yangu
Boy 2: Sitakupatia, ukiendelea kuitisha nitakupiga
Boy 1: Nitaenda niambie Baba yangu akuje akupige
Boy 2: Baba yangu ni mkubwa kuliko Baba yako. Nitamuita akuje apige baba yako
Boy 1: Baba yangu anajua Polisi, watakuja wapige baba yako
Boy 2: Baba yangu anajua jeshi - watapiga polisi.
....

In our naive minds we would have civil way resulting from our disagreement about that paperbags ball (tulikuwa tunaita "Makanye").
So to me, i don't think these "connections" we think politicians have really result to anything unless it's a "scratch my back and I will scratch yours" type commensurate arrangement where the said [WHITE MAN PLACE] does something for you and you sell some part of the country/contract/deal to them. So the only way a country would risk a single soldiers life would be if there was something to gain not for "friendship" or "camaraderie" or "general good feelings resulting from holding hands and singing Kumbaya".
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Impunity
#127 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:05:36 AM
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What has @baba said today?
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Ebenyo
#128 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:08:24 PM
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In 1982 i was very little.
I have read many times about this historical event with interest.
At first when i started reading about this coup story,i couldnt believe that Moi was nearly toppled.
When i was a kid,everything was about 'mtukufu rais Daniel arap moi'.Right from radio bulletins to school.
I remember we used to count the number of times one has seen Moi.
Whenever Moi was around,that was a holyday for children as there was to be no school that day.
So for me to imagine that he was nearly ousted was difficult.But i have learnt that,it was this incident that changed him.
James Waore Dianga claims he is the one who started the coup idea.He has written a book concerning it titled 'Atempted coup' or something like that.I have not read the book.So i would like any wazua member who has it to upload it for us.
Dianga then recruited Hezekiah Ochuka.But before long,Dianga was arrested and jailed.
Ochuka took over the plot upon the imprisonment of Dianga.He enrolled many airforce guys into the plot.key among them:
1.Protus Oteyo
2.Joseph Ogidi
3.Fenwicks chesoli
and many others.
The coup failed because:
1.Ochuka lied to the soldiers about level of support he had acquired.The only support he had was from Raila and his father Jaramogi.Yet he told his recruits about Support from Russia.
2.During the day of the coup,the mutineers were drunk.
3.The recruited airforce guys were meant to believe that the whole army was in support of the coup.
4.The coup was a counter offensive to beat Njonjo planned coup which was in the pipeline.
Its said Ochuka ruled kenya for six hours.


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murchr
#129 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:18:19 PM
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Impunity wrote:
What has @baba said today?


If you have never noticed, he's normally very silent end of July and beginning week of Aug
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Alba
#130 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:16:02 AM
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@Ebenyo

The coup did not change Moi. It gave him a pretext that he could use to become repressive.

Even before the coup, Moi was busy creating pretexts that he could use to clamp down on opposition. He would go around making speeches telling Kenyans that there were subversives out to destroy the country and that he would deal thoroughly with them. He had become completely paranoid.

The coup gave him the justification to clamp down on opposition and remove the Kenyatta era officials. Moi was especially afraid of Kikuyu and Luo officers and he used the coup to remove them from the ranks of the military.

So the likes of Ben Gethi who was police commissioner and PM Kariuki who was Air Force commander were removed and jailed at Kamiti maximum.

Detention without trial was re-introduced by Parliament.

University of Nairobi which was a hotbed of dissident lecturers was closed for a year and a half.

Its the same thing that Erdogan is doing in Turkey now.

All 300 people who died on that day plus the others who died in detention or were hunted down by Moi's goons all died needlessly. Moi could have prevented the coup if he wanted. Had he done so, even the coup plotters would be alive today.
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