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Law Capping interest rates
MaichBlack
#121 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 4:41:41 PM
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maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Duale is an individual who can't be trusted



Majority Leader Aden Duale and Minority Deputy Leader Jakoyo Midiwo led the House in endorsing the radical bill. They slammed Central Bank of Kenya Governor Patrick Njoroge for what they termed as sleeping on the job as commercial banks 'run rogue'.

Duale turned the heat on Njoroge, whom he said had failed to invoke his powers to rein in the banks.
"Low interest rates were one of the issues the Jubilee government promised. It was also in the CORD manifesto. People have been asking why the rates are not coming down. On this, we are ready to go the full hog and even raise the two-thirds majority to defeat any presidential veto," he added.

Jakoyo Midiwo na Aden Duale!!?? God help us!! Hizi si majina za kuweka kwa financial/economic discussion.

Wasn't Midiwo on Governor's Njoroge's case for being strict on banks and closing some of them including the ones directors were blatantly stealing from the bank. His words were that he found the banks operating "peacefully" and started closing them and sijui nini bla bla bla.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#122 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 4:44:18 PM
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enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
This can be a raila policy, i will be shocked if it can still be uhuru's policy as well.

tinga pushing hard for the signing as i had predicted

@mlennyma - Hii ni socialism ama ni Communism?

People DEMANDING to benefit from other people (not government's) resources!!!

Some people might kill free enterprise/businesses if given a chance.

communism and laziness,you must sell your mangoes the way you want even if they rot for lack of buyers they are yours,I even suggest raila would tame the green elephant given the presidency

Exactly @mlennyma!

Very soon some "intelligent" fellow will suggest controlling the prices of fruits, milk, vegetables etc. because they are basic needs. And soon after that there will be no Fruits, milk, vegetables etc. in any shop, kiosk etc.


Thought its Duale who said he will not rest till this thing is passed?

I am not aware but Duale is not someone I would exactly trust with the Kenyan economy!!! And politicians will say anything to please the electorate. And that is one of the problems with Kenyan politics. You can't even tell what most politicians stand for. In the US for example they know who will increase taxes for which group and reduce for which group. Who will enhance social welfare programmes and who will cut down etc.

Kenya ni pang'ang'a tu! It depends with what your so called principal says for whatever reason or who is paying top dollar or what resonates with your electorate etc. And your stand can change conveniently any time - a number of times!!!



Ha ha now that baba is pushing for signing ,there is no way UK will sign it just because baba is pushing .he is suspecting witch hunt hapo .instead it will be sent back for ammendment to buy more time ...

This has nothing to do with Baba!!!

Anyone who has some average education knows that signing this bill would be a disaster!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Akenyan2014
#123 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 5:15:58 PM
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Location: Nairobi, Kenya
MaichBlack wrote:
enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
This can be a raila policy, i will be shocked if it can still be uhuru's policy as well.

tinga pushing hard for the signing as i had predicted

@mlennyma - Hii ni socialism ama ni Communism?

People DEMANDING to benefit from other people (not government's) resources!!!

Some people might kill free enterprise/businesses if given a chance.

communism and laziness,you must sell your mangoes the way you want even if they rot for lack of buyers they are yours,I even suggest raila would tame the green elephant given the presidency

Exactly @mlennyma!

Very soon some "intelligent" fellow will suggest controlling the prices of fruits, milk, vegetables etc. because they are basic needs. And soon after that there will be no Fruits, milk, vegetables etc. in any shop, kiosk etc.


Thought its Duale who said he will not rest till this thing is passed?

I am not aware but Duale is not someone I would exactly trust with the Kenyan economy!!! And politicians will say anything to please the electorate. And that is one of the problems with Kenyan politics. You can't even tell what most politicians stand for. In the US for example they know who will increase taxes for which group and reduce for which group. Who will enhance social welfare programmes and who will cut down etc.

Kenya ni pang'ang'a tu! It depends with what your so called principal says for whatever reason or who is paying top dollar or what resonates with your electorate etc. And your stand can change conveniently any time - a number of times!!!



Ha ha now that baba is pushing for signing ,there is no way UK will sign it just because baba is pushing .he is suspecting witch hunt hapo .instead it will be sent back for ammendment to buy more time ...

This has nothing to do with Baba!!!

Anyone who has some average education knows that signing this bill would be a disaster!

The bill sponsor for sure has above average education. Banks reverting to normal profits from super-normal figures is welcome.
FRM2011
#124 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 5:51:36 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Duale is an individual who can't be trusted



Majority Leader Aden Duale and Minority Deputy Leader Jakoyo Midiwo led the House in endorsing the radical bill. They slammed Central Bank of Kenya Governor Patrick Njoroge for what they termed as sleeping on the job as commercial banks 'run rogue'.

Duale turned the heat on Njoroge, whom he said had failed to invoke his powers to rein in the banks.
"Low interest rates were one of the issues the Jubilee government promised. It was also in the CORD manifesto. People have been asking why the rates are not coming down. On this, we are ready to go the full hog and even raise the two-thirds majority to defeat any presidential veto," he added.

Jakoyo Midiwo na Aden Duale!!?? God help us!! Hizi si majina za kuweka kwa financial/economic discussion.

Wasn't Midiwo on Governor's Njoroge's case for being strict on banks and closing some of them including the ones directors were blatantly stealing from the bank. His words were that he found the banks operating "peacefully" and started closing them and sijui nini bla bla bla.


Most economists are unanimous, the unintended consequence of the bill would be to deny credit for high risk borrowers.

But none of them is telling us what will happen when our savings accounts start earning 7% interest minimum. Will the banks return our savings by force. How will they cherry-pick depositors?

Been checking the figures and each of the top 5 banks would see their profits decline by at least 10bn from the interest expense alone. If they dare touch the interest income, they would be in loss-making territory.

Disclaimer, I sold my coop shares a few weeks ago, and I hope somehow this bill can pass. Power to Duale and Midiwo.
watesh
#125 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 6:13:24 PM
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Posts: 969
Location: Kenya
MaichBlack wrote:
Impunity wrote:
watesh wrote:
The President really has no powers...worst he can do is send it back to parliament indicating his reservations but if there is a 2/3 majority vote, welcome to the new world of capped interest rates.


2/3 should rule!

Applause Applause Applause Applause

From where will they get 2/3???

Am pretty sure 2/3 of them have huge loans Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
watesh
#126 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 6:25:56 PM
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Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 969
Location: Kenya
Akenyan2014 wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
This can be a raila policy, i will be shocked if it can still be uhuru's policy as well.

tinga pushing hard for the signing as i had predicted

@mlennyma - Hii ni socialism ama ni Communism?

People DEMANDING to benefit from other people (not government's) resources!!!

Some people might kill free enterprise/businesses if given a chance.

communism and laziness,you must sell your mangoes the way you want even if they rot for lack of buyers they are yours,I even suggest raila would tame the green elephant given the presidency

Exactly @mlennyma!

Very soon some "intelligent" fellow will suggest controlling the prices of fruits, milk, vegetables etc. because they are basic needs. And soon after that there will be no Fruits, milk, vegetables etc. in any shop, kiosk etc.


Thought its Duale who said he will not rest till this thing is passed?

I am not aware but Duale is not someone I would exactly trust with the Kenyan economy!!! And politicians will say anything to please the electorate. And that is one of the problems with Kenyan politics. You can't even tell what most politicians stand for. In the US for example they know who will increase taxes for which group and reduce for which group. Who will enhance social welfare programmes and who will cut down etc.

Kenya ni pang'ang'a tu! It depends with what your so called principal says for whatever reason or who is paying top dollar or what resonates with your electorate etc. And your stand can change conveniently any time - a number of times!!!



Ha ha now that baba is pushing for signing ,there is no way UK will sign it just because baba is pushing .he is suspecting witch hunt hapo .instead it will be sent back for ammendment to buy more time ...

This has nothing to do with Baba!!!

Anyone who has some average education knows that signing this bill would be a disaster!

The bill sponsor for sure has above average education. Banks reverting to normal profits from super-normal figures is welcome.

I am still failing to see the supernormal profits. If a bank is able to attract deposits at a growth rate of 15% -30% every year and convert these in loans to the tune of 80% then go ahead and retain 60% of the profits after tax to lend out, shouldn't the profit growth also be 15% -30%?
If fast growth = supernormal profits then please please put a price cap on Safaricom mpesa charges, data and voice calls coz this company is growing faster than any bank despite its huge spending
newfarer
#127 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 9:58:47 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,504
Location: Uganda
FRM2011 wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Duale is an individual who can't be trusted



Majority Leader Aden Duale and Minority Deputy Leader Jakoyo Midiwo led the House in endorsing the radical bill. They slammed Central Bank of Kenya Governor Patrick Njoroge for what they termed as sleeping on the job as commercial banks 'run rogue'.

Duale turned the heat on Njoroge, whom he said had failed to invoke his powers to rein in the banks.
"Low interest rates were one of the issues the Jubilee government promised. It was also in the CORD manifesto. People have been asking why the rates are not coming down. On this, we are ready to go the full hog and even raise the two-thirds majority to defeat any presidential veto," he added.

Jakoyo Midiwo na Aden Duale!!?? God help us!! Hizi si majina za kuweka kwa financial/economic discussion.

Wasn't Midiwo on Governor's Njoroge's case for being strict on banks and closing some of them including the ones directors were blatantly stealing from the bank. His words were that he found the banks operating "peacefully" and started closing them and sijui nini bla bla bla.


Most economists are unanimous, the unintended consequence of the bill would be to deny credit for high risk borrowers.

But none of them is telling us what will happen when our savings accounts start earning 7% interest minimum. Will the banks return our savings by force. How will they cherry-pick depositors?

Been checking the figures and each of the top 5 banks would see their profits decline by at least 10bn from the interest expense alone. If they dare touch the interest income, they would be in loss-making territory.



Disclaimer, I sold my coop shares a few weeks ago, and I hope somehow this bill can pass. Power to Duale and Midiwo.

I'm really looking forward to that 7%.to hell with gluttonous bank. My bank quoted me a rate of 2.25% for some 300000 idle cash I wanted to stash somewhere.then I went back to the same bank to get a top up loan and get 19.9% quote. Theives
punda amecheka
Rahatupu
#128 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 10:03:06 PM
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@maichblack my exact thinking. No one is addressing why they shouldn't up interest on deposits.
Wamunyota
#129 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 10:17:52 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Hizi banks sio za mama ya mutu bwana.
How did the Mps come up with the 4% margin?

Next they will dictate the mama mboga to sell her nyanya at 1 bob.

Let the interest rates be left to economists and not politicians who have zero understanding of how economics works.
Worst case scenario the banks will put ridiculous requirements for depositors to bank with them before getting the 7% interest.
Let the wananchi put their money in the mattresses.
Hutia Mundu!!
Ebenyo
#130 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 10:49:03 PM
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Wamunyota wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Hizi banks sio za mama ya mutu bwana.
How did the Mps come up with the 4% margin?

Next they will dictate the mama mboga to sell her nyanya at 1 bob.

Let the interest rates be left to economists and not politicians who have zero understanding of how economics works.
Worst case scenario the banks will put ridiculous requirements for depositors to bank with them before getting the 7% interest.
Let the wananchi put their money in the mattresses.


These politicians are just after safeguarding their future after election which is near.If this bill pass,it will be the end of banking sector in kenya.A look at NSE listed firms tells reality.Outside the banking segment,you will only find about six to seven other companies with healthy books.Most sectors In NSE are zombies.Talk of sameer,olympia,eaagads,car and general,marshal,tcl,homeafrica.These are dead companies.So the mps want to kill the banking sector and then revive this? mumias,kq na eaep imewashinda,shindwe kabisa! these guys do not deserve re-election.Who misled Rao to accept this nonsense?
Please like minded kenyans,next year do me a favour of sending this guys home.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
watesh
#131 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:02:53 PM
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Joined: 8/10/2014
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Location: Kenya
FRM2011 wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Duale is an individual who can't be trusted



Majority Leader Aden Duale and Minority Deputy Leader Jakoyo Midiwo led the House in endorsing the radical bill. They slammed Central Bank of Kenya Governor Patrick Njoroge for what they termed as sleeping on the job as commercial banks 'run rogue'.

Duale turned the heat on Njoroge, whom he said had failed to invoke his powers to rein in the banks.
"Low interest rates were one of the issues the Jubilee government promised. It was also in the CORD manifesto. People have been asking why the rates are not coming down. On this, we are ready to go the full hog and even raise the two-thirds majority to defeat any presidential veto," he added.

Jakoyo Midiwo na Aden Duale!!?? God help us!! Hizi si majina za kuweka kwa financial/economic discussion.

Wasn't Midiwo on Governor's Njoroge's case for being strict on banks and closing some of them including the ones directors were blatantly stealing from the bank. His words were that he found the banks operating "peacefully" and started closing them and sijui nini bla bla bla.


Most economists are unanimous, the unintended consequence of the bill would be to deny credit for high risk borrowers.

But none of them is telling us what will happen when our savings accounts start earning 7% interest minimum. Will the banks return our savings by force. How will they cherry-pick depositors?

Been checking the figures and each of the top 5 banks would see their profits decline by at least 10bn from the interest expense alone. If they dare touch the interest income, they would be in loss-making territory.

Disclaimer, I sold my coop shares a few weeks ago, and I hope somehow this bill can pass. Power to Duale and Midiwo.

Big Equity and KCB shareholder here.. from Equity books they presented, average lending rate for all their loans was 14.5% average interest they paid on deposits 2.8%, this falls within the upcoming law in terms of interest rates. Non- interest income is where the extra cash comes in, and am sure they are levied on the loans provided (never taken a bank loan before). There will be a work around this crazy law
alotoftalk
#132 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:25:35 AM
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If Uhuru signs the Bill this will be hat-trick against his own interests. From an economic perspective (inflation, capital flight, contracted lending etc), a business perspective (CBA) and political perspective (due to economic trouble, loss of credibility among the business class, political donations, RAO already pushing for it etc)

I actually want him to sign it, the same way I want Americans to elect Trump and how I wanted Britons to vote for Brexit. These are real life experiences on the effects negative or otherwise of populist policy.
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enyands
#133 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:04:07 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
If Uhuru signs the Bill this will be hat-trick against his own interests. From an economic perspective (inflation, capital flight, contracted lending etc), a business perspective (CBA) and political perspective (due to economic trouble, loss of credibility among the business class, political donations, RAO already pushing for it etc)

I actually want him to sign it, the same way I want Americans to elect Trump and how I wanted Britons to vote for Brexit. These are real life experiences on the effects negative or otherwise of populist policy.



Yep we share the same school of thought.this guy will be torn in between his personal interest CBA and voters who want rates down . Want to see how he will play it .in Chess we call it "check"
newfarer
#134 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:28:56 AM
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Bankers here are scaremongering.I want to get that 7% on my deposit.the banks won't refuse to take my cash deposits by setting unreasonable rules, the ceo of the bank will be Put inside for going against the law
punda amecheka
Kurious
#135 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:46:29 AM
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newfarer wrote:
Bankers here are scaremongering.I want to get that 7% on my deposit.the banks won't refuse to take my cash deposits by setting unreasonable rules, the ceo of the bank will be Put inside for going against the law



There was some research fella from KBA who did a good job at that on NTV yesterday.
FRM2011
#136 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:24:04 AM
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newfarer wrote:
Bankers here are scaremongering.I want to get that 7% on my deposit.the banks won't refuse to take my cash deposits by setting unreasonable rules, the ceo of the bank will be Put inside for going against the law


They are really terrified. See some numbers below.

Should the bill become law, this is the change in interest expense for the top five.

KCB rise from 17bn to 29bn
Equity rise from 6.8b to 21b
Co-op from 12.1b to 18.5b
Barclays from 4.2b to 11.4b
Stanchart from 3.9b to 12b.

Co-op with an average deposit rate of 5.5% would be the least hit. But I saw something in their books that must be terrifying them.

You have heard that threat about not lending to high risk borrowers like unsecured personal loans. Their loan book is composed of 35% unsecured personal loans. It earns them the highest interest income. Should they even slow down lending to that category, let alone stop, they would be in loss making territory right away.

For equity bank, let's just say James Mwangi and co. would no longer be billionaires.
Impunity
#137 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:16:37 AM
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Akenyan2014 wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
enyands wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
maka wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
This can be a raila policy, i will be shocked if it can still be uhuru's policy as well.

tinga pushing hard for the signing as i had predicted

@mlennyma - Hii ni socialism ama ni Communism?

People DEMANDING to benefit from other people (not government's) resources!!!

Some people might kill free enterprise/businesses if given a chance.

communism and laziness,you must sell your mangoes the way you want even if they rot for lack of buyers they are yours,I even suggest raila would tame the green elephant given the presidency

Exactly @mlennyma!

Very soon some "intelligent" fellow will suggest controlling the prices of fruits, milk, vegetables etc. because they are basic needs. And soon after that there will be no Fruits, milk, vegetables etc. in any shop, kiosk etc.


Thought its Duale who said he will not rest till this thing is passed?

I am not aware but Duale is not someone I would exactly trust with the Kenyan economy!!! And politicians will say anything to please the electorate. And that is one of the problems with Kenyan politics. You can't even tell what most politicians stand for. In the US for example they know who will increase taxes for which group and reduce for which group. Who will enhance social welfare programmes and who will cut down etc.

Kenya ni pang'ang'a tu! It depends with what your so called principal says for whatever reason or who is paying top dollar or what resonates with your electorate etc. And your stand can change conveniently any time - a number of times!!!



Ha ha now that baba is pushing for signing ,there is no way UK will sign it just because baba is pushing .he is suspecting witch hunt hapo .instead it will be sent back for ammendment to buy more time ...

This has nothing to do with Baba!!!

Anyone who has some average education knows that signing this bill would be a disaster!

The bill sponsor for sure has above average education. Banks reverting to normal profits from super-normal figures is welcome.


Normal bank profit for me for top profitable banks should be 5 billon, average, NET...Hii story ya 20B+ is a robbery in a s truggling economy.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#138 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:21:10 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,328
Location: Masada
Wamunyota wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Hizi banks sio za mama ya mutu bwana.
How did the Mps come up with the 4% margin?

Next they will dictate the mama mboga to sell her nyanya at 1 bob.

Let the interest rates be left to economists and not politicians who have zero understanding of how economics works.
Worst case scenario the banks will put ridiculous requirements for depositors to bank with them before getting the 7% interest.
Let the wananchi put their money in the mattresses.


Then at that point our @midiwo and @duale will ammend the law again to ensure those ridicullous requirements are declared null and void...you cant beat the gaaament!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Obi 1 Kanobi
#139 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:35:19 AM
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I keep reading people here arguing for protecting banks and just laugh.

Could someone check what the average interest rate in Japan is and compare that with the size of their banks, what about US and Europe. Banks in Kenya will continue making profits same way other banks are making elsewhere in the world with interest rate margins of 2 or even less.

Pass the bill so we can get rid of some of these ponzi and pyramid schemes masquerading as banks.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Obi 1 Kanobi
#140 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:37:49 AM
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Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 3,017
Wamunyota wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Hizi banks sio za mama ya mutu bwana.
How did the Mps come up with the 4% margin?

Next they will dictate the mama mboga to sell her nyanya at 1 bob.

Let the interest rates be left to economists and not politicians who have zero understanding of how economics works.
Worst case scenario the banks will put ridiculous requirements for depositors to bank with them before getting the 7% interest.
Let the wananchi put their money in the mattresses.


No one in Kenya should claim to understand how economics works, the entire financial system is a mess thanks to these quack economists.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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