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Impunity
#241 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 9:07:17 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
enyands wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization.


Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better?


It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation.
And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians.


Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up .
Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity".


PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth!

Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out!


Wiped out by Gonorea.

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masukuma
#242 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 10:38:21 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
enyands wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization.


Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better?


It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation.
And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians.


Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up .
Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity".


PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth!

Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out!


Wiped out by Gonorea.



White people brought many types of diseases to indigenous populations. By the way all those people looking romantically at white people lording over them need to realize one thing!! they were not in it for you!! look at all the areas they colonized that did not have indigenous tropical diseases - they swept all indigenous populations. Name a country outside Europe they colonized and stayed. New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, US, Canada. What saved us is malaria and tropical diseases - we were trophies in a game of thrones not places to really stay (but for our highlands where hakuna malaria) as soon as the world war was over and now broke kingdoms started culling off excess weight - we got ours (like with everywhere else).
Fellows... you were saved by Malaria!! you would be as ignorant as South Africans now. These fellows came in with multiple attacks - killing people right of the bat was one. Diseases - The once proud and numerous Maasai were swept out but sexually transmitted diseases as soon as mzungus made contact. They changed culture through requirements to access schools, hospitals that required someone to proselytize
to their religion and way of life. Whose who still think Wakoloni were any good should look a good old Australia or Argentina and lookup the state of the local populations there and place themselves in those shoes. By the Way PNG is such a mountainous and rough terrain. plus these fellows literally ate people - cannibalism - it scared the hell out of the white man. Colonialism was not beneficial to anyone - check out Congo or Mozambique e.t.c. Some people confuse the British point taking colonialism to be what colonialism really was.
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hardwood
#243 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:07:39 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
enyands wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Africa would have arguably been much better without colonialization.


Ethiopia wasn't colonized. Is it much better?


It was affected by colonialization of its neighbours. No country exists in isolation.
And dont forget the cost of the war with the italians.


Google a region called guinea Papua in Indonesia .that region wasn't colonised and has people of the same dark pigment as we do. They have nothing much and live on harvesting honey and bush meat. If you have Netflix search for documentary called pururambo or youtube it .colonialism helped bring light even though there are sad side of it but it lit up .
Even America was colonised by the same British and changed the life of native americans to "prosperity".


PNG is not in Indonesia. It is still 'colonized' by Australia.You know who is the Head of State of PNG? Queen Elizabeth!

Ati native americans prospered? They were virtually wiped out!


Wiped out by Gonorea.



White people brought many types of diseases to indigenous populations. By the way all those people looking romantically at white people lording over them need to realize one thing!! they were not in it for you!! look at all the areas they colonized that did not have indigenous tropical diseases - they swept all indigenous populations. Name a country outside Europe they colonized and stayed. New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, US, Canada. What saved us is malaria and tropical diseases - we were trophies in a game of thrones not places to really stay (but for our highlands where hakuna malaria) as soon as the world war was over and now broke kingdoms started culling off excess weight - we got ours (like with everywhere else).
Fellows... you were saved by Malaria!! you would be as ignorant as South Africans now. These fellows came in with multiple attacks - killing people right of the bat was one. Diseases - The once proud and numerous Maasai were swept out but sexually transmitted diseases as soon as mzungus made contact. They changed culture through requirements to access schools, hospitals that required someone to proselytize
to their religion and way of life. Whose who still think Wakoloni were any good should look a good old Australia or Argentina and lookup the state of the local populations there and place themselves in those shoes. By the Way PNG is such a mountainous and rough terrain. plus these fellows literally ate people - cannibalism - it scared the hell out of the white man. Colonialism was not beneficial to anyone - check out Congo or Mozambique e.t.c. Some people confuse the British point taking colonialism to be what colonialism really was.


You only have to go through history to realize how wicked (and sick in the head) the white man is. What really shocked me is that the white man used to distribute small pox infested blankets to indigenous tribes in Australia, south america, US etc to deliberately infect them with disease and kill them. The whites would also rape women and girls to deliberately infect them with syphilis which had no cure at the time. This would lead to whole communities being infected by the diseases. In namibia when the local communities resisted colonisation, they were chased into the desert by the german colonisers and the water wells were poisoned. And 80% of the population was killed.
masukuma
#244 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:25:15 AM
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hardwood wrote:

You only have to go through history to realize how wicked (and sick in the head) the white man is. What really shocked me is that the white man used to distribute small pox infested blankets to indigenous tribes in Australia, south america, US etc to deliberately infect them with disease and kill them. The whites would also rape women and girls to deliberately infect them with syphilis which had no cure at the time. This would lead to whole communities being infected by the diseases. In namibia when the local communities resisted colonisation, they were chased into the desert by the german colonisers and the water wells were poisoned. And 80% of the population was killed.

White people were (are) pretty f*ck up in the head. Just lookup all the tourture techniques they devised! http://list25.com/25-mos...echniques-ever-devised/ the The Judas Cradle, Spanish Donkey and being Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered was wicked!! Crazy people... The very fact that we are still around and making noise points to the resilience of our race. We would have been no starters like the aborigines or the native american indians. The image of tea sipping brits greeting each other saying "how do you do!", driving in and out of town using horse drawn carriages is pretty misleading!! that was not colonialism...
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#245 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:43:58 AM
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prosperity my tiny black a**, Native americans score least on all indicators (except the health index where the come 2nd last after our brodas) in the U.S. http://ssrc-static.s3.am...moa/A_Century_Apart.pdf
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Obi 1 Kanobi
#246 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 11:53:57 AM
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Waafrika tuwache excuses.

I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.

What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
masukuma
#247 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 12:01:21 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Waafrika tuwache excuses.

I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.

What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right.

Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here
Quote:
IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Obi 1 Kanobi
#248 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 12:12:58 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Waafrika tuwache excuses.

I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.

What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right.

Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here
Quote:
IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES.


The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them. They know whatever they are doing is to only benefit them, they have been told as much by the leaders trying to reconcile them but they are obviously unwilling to listen.

Power may be irresistible but again when I look at our retired presidents, I see a very attractive alternative to the presidency. Thats what I mean by no need to reinvent the wheel, one does not have to be the president of a pool of blood or a mountain of skulls to achieve their life's goals.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
masukuma
#249 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 1:02:57 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Waafrika tuwache excuses.

I know leadership is difficult but its not like these people need to reinvent the wheel or anything that drastic.

What Salva Kiir and Machar need to focus on is to champion the welfare of their people, everyone does that, why is it so difficult for the african leader to get that into their think skulls, one doesn't need education or anything. Just empathy and a desire to do right.

Has it ever occurred to you that they may be thinking that they are doing "right" in their own eyes? To a hammer every problem looks like a nail and it's not just "waafrika". Nimeona wazungu in some balkan countries you cannot find on the map doing EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. It's about exposure... and when that exposure happened. and plus... as it happened in the fable about belling a cat, the words of the old rat ring here
Quote:
IT IS EASY TO PROPOSE IMPOSSIBLE REMEDIES.


The consequences for their actions are there for all to see including them. They know whatever they are doing is to only benefit them, they have been told as much by the leaders trying to reconcile them but they are obviously unwilling to listen.

Power may be irresistible but again when I look at our retired presidents, I see a very attractive alternative to the presidency. Thats what I mean by no need to reinvent the wheel, one does not have to be the president of a pool of blood or a mountain of skulls to achieve their life's goals.

Politics seems simple right? please note - I didn't say Easy I said Simple. Well it's not. Not in a setting of 60 indigenous ethnic groups and 80 linguistic partitions. Some larger than others and militant. With histories of clashing over land and pastures (think Pokomo and Orma type clashes at a macro level) with external dirty fingers of Arabs, Ethiopians, Ugandans, Kenyans and South Africans in the mix funding alternative centers of power by dream selling and placing an enemy in the narrative. There is a video by Garang somewhere talking about how ethnic groups are set against each other as counter-insurgent moves in the sudan from places like Khartom. Believe me when I say this - its a complex thing happening there in S.S. I can tell you for a fact that right now... Kiir and Machar are not in control of the sides they are purportedly heading. It's not simple and it's not easy - plus there guys who look at that place and say.. why did we fight the war? we need to be compensated. it's crazy any way - it's easy for us to prescribe solutions in blanket statements coz someone elses business is always easier that yours. I once flew over the Sudan saw the utter ruralness, the utter remoteness of that place. When I saw some mud huts nikaambiwa tumefika... The Airfields are grazing lands, where bells ring and people stop and as soon as a plane lands they are allowed to continue with their business. I saw a guy wait and as soon as a plane landed... he took off with this bike - kama kawaida. The airport was a single building with 2 rooms... one was VIP lounge and another was shared between the civil airoport authority and the airline's. Kupima mizigo ratili kama ile ya mahindi inatoewa and zinapimwa kwa nyasi. crazy... A whole state capital running on solar not a paved road in place. Umewahi ona round-about kwa barabara ya maruum? this was the capital of a state the size of coast province. Not a tarmac road in sight. Have you ever heard of the term "Africa - the dark continent"?... well - that place is a contributing factor to that narrative. I just decided watu wako mbali.... and stopped thinking i have solutions for them. Anyway - I once decided that I would stop thinking I have ideas for other people's issues and focus on mine (simple but not easy) and thus nimeruka nje - kazi ya kufanya S.S. work ni ya akina Kiir and Machar and Troika and anyone else who thinks they have leverage (stick and carrot) to make that place work. The only hope is that time is not running out... we are a blip in the existence of the universe. Not everything has to be right today or even in 100 years.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kaka2za
#250 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2016 3:23:39 PM
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The real pratagonists in the SS conflict are Paul Malong and James Gadet.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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