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Anti_Burglar wrote:tycho wrote:Given that most if not all of the reasons cited for these cases of arson and rebellion are not new, it may be that the cause of these cases is a change in conditions. That is, the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid.
Case in point is when the cabinet secretary went to a certain school and threatened students with dire action if they protested, only to have them protest after his departure in the dramatic fashion of arson...
Is there a global trend in a general distrust for authority? I believe so. Cases of lone wolf attacks around the world may indicate a general trend that may also include Kenya.
Maybe the investigations into these cases need a multi-disciplinary approach rather than a purely criminal approach which may only yield plea bargains, false confessions and bungled cases. You have not thought what you have said well. Ati because the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid and so that is why after the threat of dire consequences they protested in a dramatic fashion of arson. I'm sure they are experiencing or will certainly experience those threatened dire consequences. That they did what they did in no way negates the authority they thumbed their noses at or makes it less potent. Authority is negated when it's defied at a certain threshold, which may be the case here. The authorities may imprison or punish some of whom it deems are responsible, but it may not diminish the defiance. In fact, without mutual agreement and deference authority loses potency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:T-Bag wrote:Students of Darajani Secondary School in Kibwezi have convened an assembly and summoned the teachers. They have told the teachers that today is their closing date and they do not intend to sit for the exams scheduled for next week. That the teachers should appreciate that they have not burnt or destroyed any property. Then they have closed the school officially and asked a teacher to move a vote of thanks to them for being good students. Then they have marched out of the gate and gone home. Talk of guts! Discipline starts at home. When you see this kind of misbehavior, it just shows how parents have failed in their duties. It may be a good thing that parents have failed to discharge of their 'colonial' and 'oppressive' duties. And children are trying to find a way to survive by trying to think for themselves... I strongly support Matiangi when he says that students/parents must pay for the damage caused and that no student will be allowed to transfer from a school he has burnt. This is the best way to teach students that choices have consequences. Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. Let's take the example given by @T-bag; no school has been burnt, and probably no crime committed. So what sanction will Matiang'i give that is both reasonable and lawful?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote: Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. more like ' Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake, yeye na mamaye hufunzwa na ulimwengu.' Ulimwengu ni mtoto na mamaye, na si lazima wapatane kwa mambo yote.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote: Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. more like ' Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake, yeye na mamaye hufunzwa na ulimwengu.' Ulimwengu ni mtoto na mamaye, na si lazima wapatane kwa mambo yote. kuna tofauti ya ulimwengu na dunia. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote: Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. more like ' Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake, yeye na mamaye hufunzwa na ulimwengu.' Ulimwengu ni mtoto na mamaye, na si lazima wapatane kwa mambo yote. kuna tofauti ya ulimwengu na dunia. Sasa ni nani ametaja 'dunia'? Ama wataka kumwingiza 'herring'i' mwekundu?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:T-Bag wrote:Students of Darajani Secondary School in Kibwezi have convened an assembly and summoned the teachers. They have told the teachers that today is their closing date and they do not intend to sit for the exams scheduled for next week. That the teachers should appreciate that they have not burnt or destroyed any property. Then they have closed the school officially and asked a teacher to move a vote of thanks to them for being good students. Then they have marched out of the gate and gone home. Talk of guts! Discipline starts at home. When you see this kind of misbehavior, it just shows how parents have failed in their duties. It may be a good thing that parents have failed to discharge of their 'colonial' and 'oppressive' duties. And children are trying to find a way to survive by trying to think for themselves... I strongly support Matiangi when he says that students/parents must pay for the damage caused and that no student will be allowed to transfer from a school he has burnt. This is the best way to teach students that choices have consequences. Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. Obviously what Matiang'i is saying here is faulty. This is a matter for the courts to decide and not him.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:tycho wrote:Given that most if not all of the reasons cited for these cases of arson and rebellion are not new, it may be that the cause of these cases is a change in conditions. That is, the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid.
Case in point is when the cabinet secretary went to a certain school and threatened students with dire action if they protested, only to have them protest after his departure in the dramatic fashion of arson...
Is there a global trend in a general distrust for authority? I believe so. Cases of lone wolf attacks around the world may indicate a general trend that may also include Kenya.
Maybe the investigations into these cases need a multi-disciplinary approach rather than a purely criminal approach which may only yield plea bargains, false confessions and bungled cases. You have not thought what you have said well. Ati because the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid and so that is why after the threat of dire consequences they protested in a dramatic fashion of arson. I'm sure they are experiencing or will certainly experience those threatened dire consequences. That they did what they did in no way negates the authority they thumbed their noses at or makes it less potent. Authority is negated when it's defied at a certain threshold, which may be the case here. The authorities may imprison or punish some of whom it deems are responsible, but it may not diminish the defiance. In fact, without mutual agreement and deference authority loses potency. Defy the authority and if and when it does nothing about your defiance, then and only then can you say it has been made impotent. But when it falls on you like a ton of bricks you will know it still is virile.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:T-Bag wrote:Students of Darajani Secondary School in Kibwezi have convened an assembly and summoned the teachers. They have told the teachers that today is their closing date and they do not intend to sit for the exams scheduled for next week. That the teachers should appreciate that they have not burnt or destroyed any property. Then they have closed the school officially and asked a teacher to move a vote of thanks to them for being good students. Then they have marched out of the gate and gone home. Talk of guts! Discipline starts at home. When you see this kind of misbehavior, it just shows how parents have failed in their duties. It may be a good thing that parents have failed to discharge of their 'colonial' and 'oppressive' duties. And children are trying to find a way to survive by trying to think for themselves... I strongly support Matiangi when he says that students/parents must pay for the damage caused and that no student will be allowed to transfer from a school he has burnt. This is the best way to teach students that choices have consequences. Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. Let's take the example given by @T-bag; no school has been burnt, and probably no crime committed. So what sanction will Matiang'i give that is both reasonable and lawful? Those are firmly on the road to democracy. They should be nurtured. Only a more persuasive counter is needed for them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:tycho wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:tycho wrote:Given that most if not all of the reasons cited for these cases of arson and rebellion are not new, it may be that the cause of these cases is a change in conditions. That is, the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid.
Case in point is when the cabinet secretary went to a certain school and threatened students with dire action if they protested, only to have them protest after his departure in the dramatic fashion of arson...
Is there a global trend in a general distrust for authority? I believe so. Cases of lone wolf attacks around the world may indicate a general trend that may also include Kenya.
Maybe the investigations into these cases need a multi-disciplinary approach rather than a purely criminal approach which may only yield plea bargains, false confessions and bungled cases. You have not thought what you have said well. Ati because the conditions that allowed a general acceptance of authority are no longer valid and so that is why after the threat of dire consequences they protested in a dramatic fashion of arson. I'm sure they are experiencing or will certainly experience those threatened dire consequences. That they did what they did in no way negates the authority they thumbed their noses at or makes it less potent. Authority is negated when it's defied at a certain threshold, which may be the case here. The authorities may imprison or punish some of whom it deems are responsible, but it may not diminish the defiance. In fact, without mutual agreement and deference authority loses potency. Defy the authority and if and when it does nothing about your defiance, then and only then can you say it has been made impotent. But when it falls on you like a ton of bricks you will know it still is virile. Interesting proof of authority you're giving. Sounds like kicks of a dying something. But I can wait and watch how this pans out!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:T-Bag wrote:Students of Darajani Secondary School in Kibwezi have convened an assembly and summoned the teachers. They have told the teachers that today is their closing date and they do not intend to sit for the exams scheduled for next week. That the teachers should appreciate that they have not burnt or destroyed any property. Then they have closed the school officially and asked a teacher to move a vote of thanks to them for being good students. Then they have marched out of the gate and gone home. Talk of guts! Discipline starts at home. When you see this kind of misbehavior, it just shows how parents have failed in their duties. It may be a good thing that parents have failed to discharge of their 'colonial' and 'oppressive' duties. And children are trying to find a way to survive by trying to think for themselves... I strongly support Matiangi when he says that students/parents must pay for the damage caused and that no student will be allowed to transfer from a school he has burnt. This is the best way to teach students that choices have consequences. Mtoto asipofunzwa na mamake hufunzwa na ulimwengu. Let's take the example given by @T-bag; no school has been burnt, and probably no crime committed. So what sanction will Matiang'i give that is both reasonable and lawful? So you get home and find that your teenage son has summoned your wife (his mother) and told her point blank that if he is not allowed to do xxxxx, he will burn the house. And your scared wife allows him to do whatever he wants and then forced to give a vote of thanks for him being "a good boy" who didn't burn the house. So going by that example, as you say up there, "no house has been burnt and probably no crime committed". So what sanction would you as a father and the head of the home give that is both reasonable and lawful?
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