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KQ FY 2016 operating loss down to 4bn; net loss record (26.2bn)
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#41 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:03:59 AM
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why is @Horton missing?
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#42 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:06:02 AM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Is this 26B Net loss or Gross loss?
I feel the press is misquoting ndugu @obiero.




Suppose assets were not sold imagine how wider the loss would have been!


I am now forced to revise my target entry price of 2/- bob downwards to 50 cents coz the loss territory still remains in the next couple of years.


I suspect that part of the other income was not booked under FY 15/16 and will be shown under FY 16/17 since not all the deals/transactions were closed before March 16. It will have an impact on the half FY 16/17 results. Many people will think it is an improved performance.





@maka, This is 14/15. The impairment costs have an impact in the overall picture of the airline. Look at the price that the two B777-200ERs were sold - way below the net book value resulting to a further loss on disposal.
Spikes
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:12:30 AM
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sparkly wrote:
KQ investors misled by these two common psychological traps (Hello @Obiero)

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DEFINITION of 'Superiority Trap'

A psychological or behavioral trap that leads people to believe that they have superior skill in some areas. The superiority trap can be a dangerous delusion in the stock market, since investors who believe their investment prowess is superior to that of others may end up losing a lot of money. One way of avoiding this trap is through retaining a sense of humility, rather than hubris. An oft-cited example of the superiority trap is the fact that the overwhelming majority of people think they are above-average drivers, which is a contradiction in itself.

DEFINITION of 'Sunk Cost Trap'

The tendency of people to irrationally follow through on an activity that is not meeting their expectations because of the time and/or money they have already spent on it. The sunk cost trap explains why people finish movies they aren’t enjoying, finish meals that taste bad, hold on to investments that are underperforming and keep clothes in their closet that they’ve never worn. The sunk cost trap is also called the Concorde fallacy after the failed supersonic Concorde jet program that funding governments insisted on completing despite the jet’s poor outlook.

Individuals, businesses and governments fall into the sunk cost trap when they base their decisions on past behavior and a desire to not waste the time or money they have already spent, instead of cutting their losses and making the decision that would give them the best outcome going forward. People are reluctant to admit, even to themselves, that they have wasted resources on a past decision. Changing directions is viewed, perhaps only subconsciously, as admitting failure. As a result, people tend to stay the course or even invest additional resources in a bad decision in a futile attempt to make their initial decision seem worthwhile.




A good read. I recommend the above analysis to everybody.
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#44 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:39:11 AM
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Impunity wrote:
New KQ.

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maka
#45 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:56:30 AM
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littledove wrote:
KQ reduces operating loss from Kshs 16.3 billion to Kshs 4.1 billion
Revenues grew by 5% to sh. 116 billion




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#46 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:04:36 PM
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maka wrote:
littledove wrote:
KQ reduces operating loss from Kshs 16.3 billion to Kshs 4.1 billion
Revenues grew by 5% to sh. 116 billion






what makes up the other costs of 10.8B
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#47 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:05:10 PM
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maka wrote:
littledove wrote:
KQ reduces operating loss from Kshs 16.3 billion to Kshs 4.1 billion
Revenues grew by 5% to sh. 116 billion





what is that other cost, that the elephant in the room, a jump from 1.3 billion to 10.8 billion??
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Impunity
#48 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:45:50 PM
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Spikes wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Is this 26B Net loss or Gross loss?
I feel the press is misquoting ndugu @obiero.




Suppose assets were not sold imagine how wider the loss would have been!


I am now forced to revise my target entry price of 2/- bob downwards to 50 cents coz the loss territory still remains in the next couple of years.


35cents would be a fair value, pound for pound!
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#49 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:47:52 PM
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Hedged fuel contracts turned positive Think
Hedged exchange losses increase 38%

How can the hedged fuel contracts be positive?

Anyone with the breakdown of this other costs? That's a huge spike!

Meanwhile the level to watch is 3.70. Price is slipping towards the 4.00 handle. Somehow the sellers are not spooked by this results based on the traded volume. Has the counter run out of sellers?
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#50 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:07:08 PM
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hisah wrote:
Hedged fuel contracts turned positive Think
Hedged exchange losses increase 38%

How can the hedged fuel contracts be positive?

Anyone with the breakdown of this other costs? That's a huge spike!

Meanwhile the level to watch is 3.70. Price is slipping towards the 4.00 handle. Somehow the sellers are not spooked by this results based on the traded volume. Has the counter run out of sellers?

Very puzzling on the hedged fuel contracts. They still booked a loss on the derivatives albeit a decreasing one. Unless they took out new contracts(for example a collar)on additional fuel needs to cancel the losses on the old fixed hedges it doesn't make sense since outright canceling the old contracts and seeking new ones comes with heavy penalties which would have shown up here.

Looking at the consolidated income statement line by line reveals a very sad affair at KQ. There is still a lot of work to be done if this stock is to get back to investment grade. Save for the approximately 9b saving in direct costs(Mckinsey's trick)the rest of the deductible line items are either flat/flattish or increasing. Finance costs also spiked by some considerable margin(this one if not well managed will sink this company beyond redemption). They have probably exhausted their tax credits at this point too. On the other costs item, the only thing that comes to mind is the consultancy costs that is; Mckinsey,Seabury,PJT and crew...

In my opinion, this company will not be making a PAT for the next two financial years at the very minimum. More taxpayers money will be sunk into it year on year without a clear strategy of a turn-around.



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