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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@ArrestedDev - A discussion with a (paid) fanatic will yield little. It's like the Moi days. No matter how bad it got, the (paid) cheerleaders would praise the chap. Yeah, chama cha baba na mama. Arguing against the facts.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Othelo wrote:maka wrote:Final figures ;110 management side gone + 99 unionisable;next phase coming soon;They managed this thing pretty well,took guys to Future planning classes actually all staff HAD to attend,the union negotiated that laid off staff have their medical cover run for the rest of the year + they were exempted from some tax ( will confirm this );then when you were called to get your letter you cleared with all departments to avoid guys who have been laid off coming back to the airport to clear. 209 sent home Vs expected 600 and pilots and cabin crew intact. Nothing doing here  39 pursers were chujwad btw its only pilots who werent touched... Out of the above, are there any from fuel procurement?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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At least it will be converted into equity and I hope the treasury push for the creation of preference shares. It is a wait and see approach.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:Othelo wrote:maka wrote:Final figures ;110 management side gone + 99 unionisable;next phase coming soon;They managed this thing pretty well,took guys to Future planning classes actually all staff HAD to attend,the union negotiated that laid off staff have their medical cover run for the rest of the year + they were exempted from some tax ( will confirm this );then when you were called to get your letter you cleared with all departments to avoid guys who have been laid off coming back to the airport to clear. 209 sent home Vs expected 600 and pilots and cabin crew intact. Nothing doing here 39 pursers were chujwad btw its only pilots who werent touched... Out of the above, are there any from fuel procurement? Your contract is about to be cancelled!!!!  If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:At least it will be converted into equity and I hope the treasury push for the creation of preference shares. It is a wait and see approach. The Taxpayer will get less than 10bn in equity on a time-value of money. The existing shareholders will get diluted as well. KQ needs to go into "restructuring" [US-style Chapter 11] that allows it to renegotiate all its contracts, loans and (employee) agreements. Kenya needs KQ but a 'fit' KQ not the current bloated one full of debt. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:At least it will be converted into equity and I hope the treasury push for the creation of preference shares. It is a wait and see approach. The Taxpayer will get less than 10bn in equity on a time-value of money. The existing shareholders will get diluted as well. KQ needs to go into "restructuring" [US-style Chapter 11] that allows it to renegotiate all its contracts, loans and (employee) agreements. Kenya needs KQ but a 'fit' KQ not the current bloated one full of debt. @obiero waterloo! See how this stock is responding to debt burden. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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Spikes wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:At least it will be converted into equity and I hope the treasury push for the creation of preference shares. It is a wait and see approach. The Taxpayer will get less than 10bn in equity on a time-value of money. The existing shareholders will get diluted as well. KQ needs to go into "restructuring" [US-style Chapter 11] that allows it to renegotiate all its contracts, loans and (employee) agreements. Kenya needs KQ but a 'fit' KQ not the current bloated one full of debt. @obiero waterloo! See how this stock is responding to debt burden. This stock is responding to negative comments of people like you and @vvs
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Nope. Without an efficient fuel procurement then all the initiatives to turnaround the Company will be worth nothing. Fuel is the single biggest expense for an airline. Part of the reason why KQ was not able to operate bigger aircrafts is fuel purchased at exorbitant prices.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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@Obiero - Folks follow and believe what you say. I am but a Wazuan with nary the analytical powers you have. My "positive" pick has only made me 25% in 2 years. Surely, who would act on my analysis of KQ? Not the billionaires like Kirubi and friends. Not KLM. Not GoK. You, on the other hand, have an impeccable sense of timing and analytical skill bar none. Folks who followed your recommendation on KQ are now millionaires. Richard Branson: “I’ve always said the easiest way to become a millionaire is to start out as a billionaire and then go into the airline business”. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Nope. Without an efficient fuel procurement then all the initiatives to turnaround the Company will be worth nothing. Fuel is the single biggest expense for an airline. Part of the reason why KQ was not able to operate bigger aircrafts is fuel purchased at exorbitant prices. Aren't the 787 big craft.. Efficiency was the motivation
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:Nope. Without an efficient fuel procurement then all the initiatives to turnaround the Company will be worth nothing. Fuel is the single biggest expense for an airline. Part of the reason why KQ was not able to operate bigger aircrafts is fuel purchased at exorbitant prices. Aren't the 787 big craft.. Efficiency was the motivation No they are not possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:Nope. Without an efficient fuel procurement then all the initiatives to turnaround the Company will be worth nothing. Fuel is the single biggest expense for an airline. Part of the reason why KQ was not able to operate bigger aircrafts is fuel purchased at exorbitant prices. Aren't the 787 big craft.. Efficiency was the motivation No they are not Eish.. Zinabeba watu ngapi??
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Have a look at the below. I am not the only one asking for fresh thinking. Do not mind about the paper that the opinion is published. Quote:The airline can only chart a whole new direction with a fresh team. There is a crying need for fresh blood with new thinking and ways of doing things. A paradigm shift that the airline badly needs will remain a mirage if the old guards, steeped in outdated style of management, are still calling the shots. http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/r9j3a4z/-/index.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/26/2015 Posts: 1,147
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The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign. also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. It's not over until I winskype id: karasinga. email: kkarasinga@gmail.com
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;)
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/26/2015 Posts: 1,147
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obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;) @obiero. In a battle Field you walk with full armoury. you never know what you might need. It's not over until I winskype id: karasinga. email: kkarasinga@gmail.com
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;) @obiero. In a battle Field you walk with full armoury. you never know what you might need. That is soo true. 14 days to go!!!
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/26/2015 Posts: 1,147
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obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;) @obiero. In a battle Field you walk with full armoury. you never know what you might need. That is soo true. 14 days to go!!! @obiero. 14 days to what? just curiosity It's not over until I winskype id: karasinga. email: kkarasinga@gmail.com
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;) @obiero. In a battle Field you walk with full armoury. you never know what you might need. That is soo true. 14 days to go!!! @obiero. 14 days to what? just curiosity 14 days to depression If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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Swenani wrote:karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:obiero wrote:karasinga wrote:The most recently confirmed up trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.05. Expect prices to have some difficulty falling below this trendline. A break below this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bearish sign.
also the most recently confirmed down trendline for kenya airways has an ending point currently at 4.62. Expect prices to have some difficulty rising above this trendline. A break above this trendline (particularly on heavy volume) would be a bullish sign. Bolingo bands ;) @obiero. In a battle Field you walk with full armoury. you never know what you might need. That is soo true. 14 days to go!!! @obiero. 14 days to what? just curiosity 14 days to depression 14 days of cooking!!! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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