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Swenani
#141 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2016 8:30:16 PM
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@Masukuma is truly evilsmile smile smile
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masukuma
#142 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2016 8:50:29 PM
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Swenani wrote:
@Masukuma is truly evilsmile smile smile

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Kratos
#143 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:57:05 AM
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A lot of people seem to have missed the point on this one. Everyone knows what morality is and therefore it should be inherent that our laws as humanity represent freedom, equity and justice. Police brutality anywhere is a threat to our existence.

Agitating for law and order in this cases does not imply disrespect to the men in blue. It doesn't mean being physically aggressive with the oppressor. There are very many ways to champion your rights and the rights of your fellow human being without being physically confrontational. Informing, protesting, educating and supporting are all ways to fight police brutality. Might not be effective 100% but am sure its better than doing nothing and burying my head in the sand.

Now I understand why some of the evils bedeviling us are not going anywhere anytime soon, "because its not my problem, it doesn't affect me personally"

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
masukuma
#144 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:17:25 AM
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Kratos wrote:
A lot of people seem to have missed the point on this one. Everyone knows what morality is and therefore it should be inherent that our laws as humanity represent freedom, equity and justice. Police brutality anywhere is a threat to our existence.

Agitating for law and order in this cases does not imply disrespect to the men in blue. It doesn't mean being physically aggressive with the oppressor. There are very many ways to champion your rights and the rights of your fellow human being without being physically confrontational. Informing, protesting, educating and supporting are all ways to fight police brutality. Might not be effective 100% but am sure its better than doing nothing and burying my head in the sand.

Now I understand why some of the evils bedeviling us are not going anywhere anytime soon, "because its not my problem, it doesn't affect me personally"

We are in agreement... all of us are in agreement. The question is - what are you (the individual) going to do about it? Will you observe on the sidelines and jump on the side that eventually wins? Will you be on the frontline fighting for it? I have stated my choice with many practical reasons why I will be on the sidelines. All these reasons ni za KIBINAFSI <-- nothing wrong with that! I am definitely not saying police brutality should go on, I am just saying that I am unwilling to do anything other than online (riskfree) activism. wakinikuta mahali I will tow the line. but Kushare images and kuRetweet nitafanya overtime. Most of us here are like me - riskfree activism but pretend like they will step out of their offices and face a red beret.... I am here to tell you - IT'S OK! that guilt being inflicted in you will pass. Just come out! Courage has been disrupted... you don't need to risk life and limb to make a difference.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#145 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:14:33 AM
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And let’s get a couple things straight, just a little sidenote – the burden of the brutalized is not to comfort the bystander.That’s not our job, alright – stop with all that. If you have a critique for the resistance, for our resistance, then you better have an established record of critique of our oppression. If you have no interest, if you have no interest in equal rights for black people then do not make suggestions to those who do. Sit down.

I had this speech by Jesse Williams on BET and it summed up everything one would want to say on this topic in whichever language.

@Masukuma and Co. You look at the fights of other people and you judge them as stupid for fighting. You forget the simple point that its not your fight.

Everyone who went to protest during the IEBC must go were not going because RAO called, they were going because it was their fight, they believed in the cause etc.

When lawyer Willie Kimani and Co were murdered, a different group (mostly lawyers and law practitioners) took to the street to fight because it was their fight.

You think you can take crap from a white cop everyday, put up with the indignity of being treated like a second class citizen because you watch american TV.

You take your borrowed experience and now you are talking down to those who you think made bad personal choices of expecting to be treated equal to their fellow citizens, but you are wrong again.

You may play dead everyday while people pee on you and move on, then the day you wake up with a bad headache, miss the bus, your boss rides you is the day you also meet the racist cop, you end up lashing out and voila, the guy kills you. I bet someone will be writing somewhere that you should have cooperated without checking to confirm that you had been cooperating for 37 years or 50 years.

Not everyone who gets killed by these racist cops were looking to die. The 2 recent cases were 32 and 37 years, I bet they had met cops before and not got killed.

Please read again what Jesse Williams wrote in his speech, watch it on youtube and show respect for those who take a stand for what they believe in.
May be you can watch braveheart where Wallace gives his speech before the first battle with the English as wellsmile smile (fiction but still cool)

- If Jesus had cooperated we would not have Christianity
- Had Mohamed cooperated we would not have Islam
- Had Martin Luther King, Malcom X and all those black freedom fighters cooperated racism would still be alive in the US
- Had Dedan Kimathi and all those freedom fighters you are disrespecting cooperated we would not have Kenya nor Wazua for you to give your opinions.

You seem to think money or wealth is what motivates everyone, not true, some people want a dignified life. The length of one's life is not necessarily under their control, if you doubt ask Lawyer Willie Kimani.

In short history is only changed by those who challenge the status quo, no matter how silly their cause seems to the casual observers.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
PeterReborn
#146 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:45:10 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:

@Masukuma and Co. You look at the fights of other people and you judge them as stupid for fighting. You forget the simple point that its not your fight.


You still don't understand what Masukuma is saying.He has no problem with those who want to become heroes.In every war there will be lions and the sheep.Makusuma has chosen to become the sheep.That doesn't mean that he disrespects the lions.Not everyone can be a lion.Based on the KENYAN history being a lion is overrated.The sheep have always taken advantage of the lions.The sheep always enjoy the fruit of the lion.He has simply taken a stand that he is comfortable being the sheep and the rest of you be the lion and stay at the forefront of the battle.I will join him in enjoying the fruits of the lions.
Consistency is better than intensity
Obi 1 Kanobi
#147 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:22:02 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:

@Masukuma and Co. You look at the fights of other people and you judge them as stupid for fighting. You forget the simple point that its not your fight.


You still don't understand what Masukuma is saying.He has no problem with those who want to become heroes.In every war there will be lions and the sheep.Makusuma has chosen to become the sheep.That doesn't mean that he disrespects the lions.Not everyone can be a lion.Based on the KENYAN history being a lion is overrated.The sheep have always taken advantage of the lions.The sheep always enjoy the fruit of the lion.He has simply taken a stand that he is comfortable being the sheep and the rest of you be the lion and stay at the forefront of the battle.I will join him in enjoying the fruits of the lions.


I get what he is saying.

He is generally taking sides with the sheep at each turn, and I am telling him that he can't because people don't choose to be lions or sheep.

But cowards are also important because they live to create the legendssmile smile. The statute standing on Kimathi Street is that of Dedan Kimathi, not Kiereini. Erected by the Homeguards and collaborators.

Kiereini is an old man banned from sitting on the boards of listed companies he built all his life, I bet as he waits to die, he wouldn't mind a statute at this point in his life. I bet Kimathi is more popular in his village than he is.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
PeterReborn
#148 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:31:38 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:

@Masukuma and Co. You look at the fights of other people and you judge them as stupid for fighting. You forget the simple point that its not your fight.


You still don't understand what Masukuma is saying.He has no problem with those who want to become heroes.In every war there will be lions and the sheep.Makusuma has chosen to become the sheep.That doesn't mean that he disrespects the lions.Not everyone can be a lion.Based on the KENYAN history being a lion is overrated.The sheep have always taken advantage of the lions.The sheep always enjoy the fruit of the lion.He has simply taken a stand that he is comfortable being the sheep and the rest of you be the lion and stay at the forefront of the battle.I will join him in enjoying the fruits of the lions.


I get what he is saying.

He is generally taking sides with the sheep at each turn, and I am telling him that he can't because people don't choose to be lions or sheep.

But cowards are also important because they live to create the legendssmile smile. The statute standing on Kimathi Street is that of Dedan Kimathi, not Kiereini. Erected by the Homeguards and collaborators.

Kiereini is an old man banned from sitting on the boards of listed companies he built all his life, I bet as he waits to die, he wouldn't mind a statute at this point in his life. I bet Kimathi is more popular in his village than he is.


And there lies the big question.Given an opportunity would you choose to be the son of Kiereini or that of Kimathi?Would you like just to be a hero on paper while in reality your children are beggars and languishing in poverty.
I would choose to be a son of Kiereini 10 times over.
It is not why we are in Wazua to create wealth?
Consistency is better than intensity
alma1
#149 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:50:14 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:

@Masukuma and Co. You look at the fights of other people and you judge them as stupid for fighting. You forget the simple point that its not your fight.


You still don't understand what Masukuma is saying.He has no problem with those who want to become heroes.In every war there will be lions and the sheep.Makusuma has chosen to become the sheep.That doesn't mean that he disrespects the lions.Not everyone can be a lion.Based on the KENYAN history being a lion is overrated.The sheep have always taken advantage of the lions.The sheep always enjoy the fruit of the lion.He has simply taken a stand that he is comfortable being the sheep and the rest of you be the lion and stay at the forefront of the battle.I will join him in enjoying the fruits of the lions.


I get what he is saying.

He is generally taking sides with the sheep at each turn, and I am telling him that he can't because people don't choose to be lions or sheep.

But cowards are also important because they live to create the legendssmile smile. The statute standing on Kimathi Street is that of Dedan Kimathi, not Kiereini. Erected by the Homeguards and collaborators.

Kiereini is an old man banned from sitting on the boards of listed companies he built all his life, I bet as he waits to die, he wouldn't mind a statute at this point in his life. I bet Kimathi is more popular in his village than he is.


And there lies the big question.Given an opportunity would you choose to be the son of Kiereini or that of Kimathi?Would you like just to be a hero on paper while in reality your children are beggars and languishing in poverty.
I would choose to be a son of Kiereini 10 times over.
It is not why we are in Wazua to create wealth?


Stop trying to change the topic and the message..This is the internet, its on record and can't be changed.

According to your team, people should just shut up because that's the only way they shall get home

According to your team, most people shot in the US is because they did not listen to instructions...Ipso facto those in Kenya too

According to your team, akina matiba were stupid especially considering that Kaguoya is playing golf at Muthaiga

In other words, you are the perfect uncle TOM. Unfortunately that won't cut it.

You cannot choose to be the son of Kierieni. That is where your silliness begins. You are the son of whoever you are the son of. You have no choice in this matter at ALL!!

What you have a choice in is valuing the lives of others especially those you consider to be poorer than you.

For the second time you are just like Masukuma, equating capitalism to beating up others. You have every choice not to participate. You can make money without hiring a cop to clobber someone in the head.

What we are trying to stop you from spreading is a culture of lies and slavery to others.

If you don't want to go on the streets, then as we are repeatedly telling you, don't. NO ONE ASKED YOU TO. In fact I doubt if they would want you.

But don't come around here giving us stories of how you think home guards are the three wise men of Jesus.

Honestly this topic is very very depressing and shameful.

Ati you choose to be the son offf...kubaff you are the son of the guy you are calling a fool....
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Othelo
#150 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 1:00:12 PM
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It is our choice not to fight back, others can do whatever they want. But remember you only die once ............ and NO resurrection thereafter. smile
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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