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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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tycho wrote:enyands wrote:[quote=tycho]For those who are saying that compliance has more chances of guaranteeing life, and that one ought to give such advice; what guarantees are there that such a strategy would work? And why would such a strategy work? http://www.cbc.ca/m/touc...olitics/story/1.3670654[/quote] Bro there is no guarantee BUT as we said earlier you increase your chances of survival. Mark my words in red INCREASE YOUR CHANCES of going home alive . It's not a guarantee but chances are higher than someone who is outright aggressive. Look at trayvon, he was aggressive to the community patrol though he didn't do anything wrong , look at the 1st guy to be killed this week,he was aggressive and refused to comply ,don't get me wrong ,we know there are racist police officer but all these situations can be defused completely with compliance .failure to comply gives the racist police ammunition to kill. There are some isolated cases where compliance doesn't apply like the second murder this week,the guu complied but he was murdered anyway.but all of them has to do with someone being aggressive pre extra judicial execution and trying to elope from police officer I'm having difficulty in understanding the third paragraph of your response. Are you saying that the murder victim was aggressive and trying to 'elope' from the officer while also remaining compliant? The second paragraph appears to give the guarantee that compliance is able to diffuse all situations... Finally, what would be the rationality of increased chances given that: It's reasonable for an officer to expect some hostility from a person who for example, believes his rights are being infringed? Is it like the case of animals submitting by lying on their backs and gaining the sympathy of aggressors? That is, compliance is an appeal for 'mercy'... Bro in my third paragraph all I was saying is that 80% of police executions start with the victim being aggressive ...looking at trayvon Martin ,he tried to fight police officer or community patrol ,this week the first guy who was murdered with the police officer outside convinient store started with the guy trying to fight police officer .the second guy who was murdered in his car belongs to the 20% who were mistaken to be aggressive and they weren't Truth of the matter is ,we don't know the history of that country called America. We don't . We were not there during slavery .they have a black president and he hasn't tried to make the situation any better .so who are you trying to be aggressive to police officer ?Having that in mind ,you just have to do what you have to do to survive .even if it means lying down on your back begging for sympathy as you put it . Bottom line is as long as you are a person of color there in America don't think the system will feel sorry for you .you have to play with the system even if it's to ask the police officer who is an aggressor for mercy . You will go home humiliated but you will See tomorrow .but if your pride is too big you will die a proud man but never see tomorrow . When wakora come to your house ,do you act aggressive ,definately no,why because whatever they take you can find them tomorrow ,how about your life ? You won't . Be polite to your aggressor if you want to see tomorrow . Play by the rules and you will live . No matter who you are , if you aren't white you are a minority in that country . You have no rights as whites .trying to make yourself equal to whites will work against you
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:you don't get to come to life again once you are dead... once you are dead.. you are dead. your wife becomes a widow and your kids become fatherless. try to not give anyone an excuse to do that to your loved ones. There are bad people out there - just try and get home! We agree that there are systemic issues that need to be sorted but don't be stupid enough to think that the time to test whether those issues have been fixed or not is when your are pulled over by a cop. in Kenya it's the kurusha mdomo 'I know my rights..." 1. Is there a limit to the desire to go home to your wife? 2. Is death the worst that can happen? For example, is it better to be alive but psychiatrically damaged? it's all subjective I guess... TO ME: I want to go back to my wife and kids. I want to have the grow up with a father. I am not here to make the world right - you can do that. I will spectate while you do that. As that jesse guy once said... the Hereafter is a hustle! that whole thing about heaven is great... but you know what? I have immediate concerns and interests - going to heaven now is not one of them. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@enyands, a thief holding me up and eliciting cooperation isn't the same as a black living in a country controlled by whites. If it is, then we can be sure that not only will the thief go away with what he wants, but that the black citizen will receive nothing of value from his compliance.
And what will you say about Kenya; is it a white man's country with a black majority? Because even here the white rules?
@masukuma, I understand your subjective wisdom; unfortunately it's not only too narrow but impractical when it comes to macro-thinking. For example, the Nigerian man in Italy though desiring to be with his wife had no option but to accept going to heaven. American independence wasn't won by an army of bachelors, and no existing state was established by those who thought going home to your wife is a given no matter how unjust a system is... But I think I should stop here... let me let slaves be.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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tycho wrote:@enyands, a thief holding me up and eliciting cooperation isn't the same as a black living in a country controlled by whites. If it is, then we can be sure that not only will the thief go away with what he wants, but that the black citizen will receive nothing of value from his compliance.
the black citizen will receive another chance for life.He will get his freedom temporarily and he can live to see tomorrow.It sounds weird and not right but it is what it is.lets not bury our head in the sand. its the damn reality
And what will you say about Kenya; is it a white man's country with a black majority? Because even here the white rules?
you know how the whites rule us its because our leaders sold our countries to the whites.Be it the day of Nabongo mumia-when awarded bicycle for cooperation to the mzungu or right now through loans that come with condtions and kickbacks to cooperating leaders ref-Gichuru and Chris okemo.either way they rule the world and we have to dance to their tune to survive. Gadaffi tried to not dance and you saw what happened, same as saddam .its the sad bit im sorry
@masukuma, I understand your subjective wisdom; unfortunately it's not only too narrow but impractical when it comes to macro-thinking. For example, the Nigerian man in Italy though desiring to be with his wife had no option but to accept going to heaven. American independence wasn't won by an army of bachelors, and no existing state was established by those who thought going home to your wife is a given no matter how unjust a system is... But I think I should stop here... let me let slaves be. in find this funny .if you live in a foreign country expect to be a slave of their system.either through paying taxes or modern form of discrimination. Even african americans know it .that's why they are rebellious . You'd rather be a slave to your own people in kenya -mpigs than mzungu.so do us a favor ,if you feel you don't want to lie down with submission or you feel your pride is too big to kiss a white man's ass in a white man's country come back home .we will welcome you .though life will be hard but the thing you value most which is dignity will be restored .I'll wait for you at jkia  this is friendly though ,na usijam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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enyands wrote:tycho wrote:@enyands, a thief holding me up and eliciting cooperation isn't the same as a black living in a country controlled by whites. If it is, then we can be sure that not only will the thief go away with what he wants, but that the black citizen will receive nothing of value from his compliance.
the black citizen will receive another chance for life.He will get his freedom temporarily and he can live to see tomorrow.It sounds weird and not right but it is what it is.lets not bury our head in the sand. its the damn reality
And what will you say about Kenya; is it a white man's country with a black majority? Because even here the white rules?
you know how the whites rule us its because our leaders sold our countries to the whites.Be it the day of Nabongo mumia-when awarded bicycle for cooperation to the mzungu or right now through loans that come with condtions and kickbacks to cooperating leaders ref-Gichuru and Chris okemo.either way they rule the world and we have to dance to their tune to survive. Gadaffi tried to not dance and you saw what happened, same as saddam .its the sad bit im sorry
@masukuma, I understand your subjective wisdom; unfortunately it's not only too narrow but impractical when it comes to macro-thinking. For example, the Nigerian man in Italy though desiring to be with his wife had no option but to accept going to heaven. American independence wasn't won by an army of bachelors, and no existing state was established by those who thought going home to your wife is a given no matter how unjust a system is... But I think I should stop here... let me let slaves be. in find this funny .if you live in a foreign country expect to be a slave of their system.either through paying taxes or modern form of discrimination. Even african americans know it .that's why they are rebellious . You'd rather be a slave to your own people in kenya -mpigs than mzungu.so do us a favor ,if you feel you don't want to lie down with submission or you feel your pride is too big to kiss a white man's ass in a white man's country come back home .we will welcome you .though life will be hard but the thing you value most which is dignity will be restored .I'll wait for you at jkia this is friendly though ,na usijam @tycho - if someone feels passionate enough to go risk life and limb to fight a war - by all means... i will not stop him. Let him or her go and risk it. If they survive I will clap when they come home. I respect that. BUT ME? I AM NOT THAT TYPE OF PERSON! I am the proprietor of an organization called 'numero uno'! when asked to pick a side - i pick the side that has 'numero uno' written all over it. it's a choice I made. I respect all other choices. If chants from others make you hot in the collar and make your blood pump - I respect that. I will step out of the way for you to go and fight... Do you know that Dedan Kimathi saying? Quote:I would rather die on my legs than live on my knees - I respect that! I bet the person who recorded it and shared it with the rest of humanity was ALIVE! anyway... I step aside - by all means tycho - go fight this war of freedom and right and justice. My desires are more local - I just want to go home! Let's agree and move on! There are people like me and there are people like you! When it's done and dusted people like me write heroic stories about people like you! We buy you beers when you come home as victors! we create memorials for people like you if the side you were on wins but you never make it 'home'. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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masukuma wrote:you don't get to come to life again once you are dead... once you are dead.. you are dead. your wife becomes a widow and your kids become fatherless. try to not give anyone an excuse to do that to your loved ones. There are bad people out there - just try and get home! We agree that there are systemic issues that need to be sorted but don't be stupid enough to think that the time to test whether those issues have been fixed or not is when your are pulled over by a cop. in Kenya it's the kurusha mdomo 'I know my rights..." Good thinking. Kenya history 101. 1986-1992. When Moi was pushed to the corner he fought back viciously to break the spirit (and often the body) of the soldiers on the front line. Matiba, Rubia and others. Kibaki was watching the duel from a safe point on the fence. Matiba is in terrible shape at the coast. Kibs, well, we built a new home for him in nyeri, a petrol station, a 700mn office, an attractive retirement package and a place in history books.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Kratos wrote:
You can hide your head in the sand but whatever happens elsewhere affects you here, call it "effects of globalization". The same way the western media sees fit to report on happenings in our tiny third world country called Kenya is the same way we are consuming news from their part of the world.
Not sure what your objective is to blatantly lie that Kibaki didnt say anything about the baragoi killings.....ahh I know you must have thought it happened during Uhuru's term right?
Justice should prevail in Kenya and beyond for the sake of humanity. Justice for Willie, Mwendwa, Muiruri, Alton, Castille and the 5 cops murdered today.
Ngai @kratos I have just seen this. The baragoi massacre was in 2012 and was discussed in a thread here. A key observation was kibaki's silence while he had deployed govt resources after the PCEA women's guild accident in Tanzania. And yes, there was no statement from statehouse. And I thought we agreed you go slow on this muthamaki worshipping manenos. He ain't that great. Actually he looks set to be the worst performer of the four we have had so far. Kibaki was the best in case you are wondering. But before you get a heart attack, don't worry, he is going to be re-elected. You got the dumbassery of the voters to be grateful for.
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