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Plimsoul wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do Yeah. We just have to remember as employees, our jobs are as secure as the notice period in the contract. No one owes us anything, yet we spend so much more than the 40 hours a week at work (or whatever contracts say) and let it take control of our lives. It is mismanagement that leads to some of these consequences. A small mistake in the airline industry sends an operator back to the drawing board. In the case of KQ, it seems so many mistakes were committed and the consequences are now evident.
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Plimsoul wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do Yeah. We just have to remember as employees, our jobs are as secure as the notice period in the contract. No one owes us anything, yet we spend so much more than the 40 hours a week at work (or whatever contracts say) and let it take control of our lives. It is mismanagement that leads to some of these consequences. A small mistake in the airline industry sends an operator back to the drawing board. In the case of KQ, it seems so many mistakes were committed and the consequences are now evident. Work life is too focused on the company and not the staff. This is a sad fact in life. Only your mother cares deeply for you, the others are debatable
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do no, @ obiero I differ. its so painful to see wealthy men and women of stature, courageously and with strain give kq a chance to dispose off assets, down size the company as well as their hearty wealth to let off the employees with decency. None of these ever aware timid small time thieving employees would have dared blow off the whistle given chance, but kq is still kind enough to send them off atleast with a recommendation letter without a warning of known vices to the next potential employer. paining continues at kq. no pain no gain. peace ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing? Wamedo? Marketing has suffered heavy casualties... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing? Wamedo? Marketing has suffered heavy casualties... @maka people aren't seeing the radical surgery being undertaken.. It's better we let time be the judge of whether Ngunze was the right man for this job. For now, I just know that OPEX is massively on its way down
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:Plimsoul wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do Yeah. We just have to remember as employees, our jobs are as secure as the notice period in the contract. No one owes us anything, yet we spend so much more than the 40 hours a week at work (or whatever contracts say) and let it take control of our lives. It is mismanagement that leads to some of these consequences. A small mistake in the airline industry sends an operator back to the drawing board. In the case of KQ, it seems so many mistakes were committed and the consequences are now evident. Work life is too focused on the company and not the staff. This is a sad fact in life. Only your mother cares deeply for you, the others are debatable 100,000/- ... Let me narrow down my shortlist. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing? Wamedo? Marketing has suffered heavy casualties... @maka people aren't seeing the radical surgery being undertaken.. It's better we let time be the judge of whether Ngunze was the right man for this job. For now, I just know that OPEX is massively on its way down Dear @Obiero, to help your chosen charity would you like to increase the bet to KES 250,000 under the same conditions of the current bet? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,773 Location: NAIROBI
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Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank. Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank.
Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Everyone including your watchman are aware that KQ is overstaffed.. 5people to handle one traveller from check in to boarding reeks of wastage. Plus fewer staff will lead to a massive cut in monthly salary payments which definitely are lower than interest payments to Afriexim
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank.
Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Everyone including your watchman are aware that KQ is overstaffed.. 5people to handle one traveller from check in to boarding reeks of wastage. Plus fewer staff will lead to a massive cut in monthly salary payments which definitely are lower than interest payments to Afriexim Dear @Obiero, to help your chosen charity would you like to increase the bet to KES 250,000 under the same conditions of the current bet? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank.
Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Everyone including your watchman are aware that KQ is overstaffed.. 5people to handle one traveller from check in to boarding reeks of wastage. Plus fewer staff will lead to a massive cut in monthly salary payments which definitely are lower than interest payments to Afriexim Dear @Obiero, to help your chosen charity would you like to increase the bet to KES 250,000 under the same conditions of the current bet? This bet you keep yapping about.. My religion doesn't allow me to gamble and/or place wagers
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank.
Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Everyone including your watchman are aware that KQ is overstaffed.. 5people to handle one traveller from check in to boarding reeks of wastage. Plus fewer staff will lead to a massive cut in monthly salary payments which definitely are lower than interest payments to Afriexim Aren't the check in staff contracted through Naikuni's girlfriend manpower agency?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing? Wamedo? Marketing has suffered heavy casualties... The final nail in the coffin is not yet. Isn't he responsible for the mistakes done by his juniors? He endorsed all the decisions taken. Ngunze can't touch him since they are gate keeping for Naikuni?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Plimsoul wrote:streetwise wrote:As usual the mistakes of the bosses being paid for by the juniors, when will we get out of this mess ? It's terribly unfair. And it's usually the loyal juniors who suffer the most. Sad but what to do It is better for them to go rather than wait for the unthinkable. I hope it does not lead to another strike by the pilots. guinea worm in this company and will take time and skill to remove. which stage has kquians entered now and for how long shall they be campaigning there. how many more phases are remaining? restructuring and down sizing after sale of assets has been long overdue. one off restructuring cost. McKinsey report just set the ball rolling but they kept the secret with themselves coz nguzio is truly unaware of what's happening with his pride centre. systematic surgical procedure anesthesia stage by stage. kufionzia pole pole till the parasites have another host to feast on. kuvumiliana mingi hapo ndio utamaliza kq I hope that someone from somewhere is touched to realize that radical surgery at the top is part of what is required. Otherwise, this retrenchment is going to be an exercise in futility. Only Ngunze remains. Everyone else is gone IT & Marketing? Wamedo? Marketing has suffered heavy casualties... @maka people aren't seeing the radical surgery being undertaken.. It's better we let time be the judge of whether Ngunze was the right man for this job. For now, I just know that OPEX is massively on its way down You are over rating Ngunze. He has handled this turnaround very haphazardly. His decision making style is that of trial and error.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:Funding for the retrenchment exercise of 600 staff will be funded by a $100mn loan from Afrexim bank.
Loans are increasing while the company is selling assets Everyone including your watchman are aware that KQ is overstaffed.. 5people to handle one traveller from check in to boarding reeks of wastage. Plus fewer staff will lead to a massive cut in monthly salary payments which definitely are lower than interest payments to Afriexim Dear @Obiero, to help your chosen charity would you like to increase the bet to KES 250,000 under the same conditions of the current bet? This bet you keep yapping about.. My religion doesn't allow me to gamble and/or place wagers   Now, now... are you using religion to back out of the bet? Dear @Obiero: - Do you receive (or have received) any perks from KQ? - Do you receive (or have received) any perks from any PR agencies that represent KQ? - Do you receive (or have received) any free upgrades on KQ flights? - How many shares does your buddy Ngunze own in KQ? Does your religion allow for "pay for play"? It's not personal, just biashara... Please ask Ngunze to buy fuel from KenolKobil, we need the money coz we have no godfather in GoK. In Cash. No credit. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Hello Joined: 7/8/2016 Posts: 5 Location: Nairobi
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Hello good people. Am new here.
I wish to add my voice to the KQ debate. Sorry if I repeat what others may have said before-would take me a week to go through the whole thread.
1. Its a fact that KQ is in a very bad position financially.
2. KQ is not going to die. It has hit rock bottom, it can't go any lower. It will either flatten out or improve.
3. The share price is definitely going to rise over the coming year, so if you're buying buy now-but buy to sell. Dividends ziko mbali bado.
4. We should expect a 7-10b full year loss, unless the're other savings I am not privy to.
5. With the fuel hedge in its last months, the financial position of the company will improve significantly over the coming year. I project a at least 30% improvement, with a 1-2b loss half year loss and 200-500m profit for full year 2017.
As for the leadership, Mbuvi is the right guy for the job. He shall turn around KQ. Suppliers love his humility. Employees say that he is accessible.
For the retrenchment, i still wonder who the 80 are. Almost all departments are said to be understaffed, people working overtime, with departments like engineering experiencing high staff losses to the middle east carriers.
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