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hardwood		#11 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:11:35 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya?
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alma1		#12 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:18:36 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		hardwood wrote: How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya? Honestly sir, you don't have to prove over and over again that you lack in basic reading, viewing and comprehension skills. Where did you see armed in the US in the above videos, quotes and even reading material? Fox News or Kameme? eisshhhh! Next, where on this forum have you seen me condoning anyone being shot by Kenyan cops. The same Kenyan cops you are always complaining are corrupt? You don't need to win brownie points here. Its the end of Id, they have some left overs you can ask them for. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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hardwood		#13 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:42:15 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya? Honestly sir, you don't have to prove over and over again that you lack in basic reading, viewing and comprehension skills. Where did you see armed in the US in the above videos, quotes and even reading material? Fox News or Kameme? eisshhhh! Next, where on this forum have you seen me condoning anyone being shot by Kenyan cops. The same Kenyan cops you are always complaining are corrupt? You don't need to win brownie points here. Its the end of Id, they have some left overs you can ask them for. Seems you never watched the videos YOU posted.
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alma1		#14 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:51:58 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		hardwood wrote: alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya? Honestly sir, you don't have to prove over and over again that you lack in basic reading, viewing and comprehension skills. Where did you see armed in the US in the above videos, quotes and even reading material? Fox News or Kameme? eisshhhh! Next, where on this forum have you seen me condoning anyone being shot by Kenyan cops. The same Kenyan cops you are always complaining are corrupt? You don't need to win brownie points here. Its the end of Id, they have some left overs you can ask them for. Seems you never watched the videos YOU posted. Hardwood I know hii kazi of making untruths out of facts can be a bit hard but sometimes you do need to stop trying. You want to use the word armed in the Kenyan context. That's ok but very very misleading. As in it maybe a fact but not the reality on the ground. Case 1: Police claim he had a gun...Claim...In that video posted, I'm guessing you are assuming that what was removed from his pocket is a gun....If that's what you think, that's not those who've seen guns think....but we all have our opinions don't we. Case 2: He was a LICENSED gun holder...Gun was in the glove compartment. He informed the cop which he doesn't have to in Mine law...Cop shot him anyway.. But I guess to you they are armed like mungiki or something... We call that a difference of opinion usually based on life experiences. You have yet to explain the section where I applaud the Kenyan police for shooting people who they claim are "most wanted whatever". Find it, I'll buy you a beer. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Swenani		#15 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 2:25:02 PM
Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum		alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya? Honestly sir, you don't have to prove over and over again that you lack in basic reading, viewing and comprehension skills. Where did you see armed in the US in the above videos, quotes and even reading material? Fox News or Kameme? eisshhhh! Next, where on this forum have you seen me condoning anyone being shot by Kenyan cops. The same Kenyan cops you are always complaining are corrupt? You don't need to win brownie points here. Its the end of Id, they have some left overs you can ask them for. Seems you never watched the videos YOU posted. Hardwood I know hii kazi of making untruths out of facts can be a bit hard but sometimes you do need to stop trying. You want to use the word armed in the Kenyan context. That's ok but very very misleading. As in it maybe a fact but not the reality on the ground. Case 1: Police claim he had a gun...Claim...In that video posted, I'm guessing you are assuming that what was removed from his pocket is a gun....If that's what you think, that's not those who've seen guns think....but we all have our opinions don't we. Case 2: He was a LICENSED gun holder...Gun was in the glove compartment. He informed the cop which he doesn't have to in Mine law...Cop shot him anyway.. But I guess to you they are armed like mungiki or something... We call that a difference of opinion usually based on life experiences. You have yet to explain the section where I applaud the Kenyan police for shooting people who they claim are "most wanted whatever". Find it, I'll buy you a beer. I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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hardwood		#16 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 2:26:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: How come those shouting loudest about the killing of young armed men in the US never complain about the killing of young armed men in Nairobi/Kenya? Honestly sir, you don't have to prove over and over again that you lack in basic reading, viewing and comprehension skills. Where did you see armed in the US in the above videos, quotes and even reading material? Fox News or Kameme? eisshhhh! Next, where on this forum have you seen me condoning anyone being shot by Kenyan cops. The same Kenyan cops you are always complaining are corrupt? You don't need to win brownie points here. Its the end of Id, they have some left overs you can ask them for. Seems you never watched the videos YOU posted. Hardwood I know hii kazi of making untruths out of facts can be a bit hard but sometimes you do need to stop trying. You want to use the word armed in the Kenyan context. That's ok but very very misleading. As in it maybe a fact but not the reality on the ground. Case 1: Police claim he had a gun...Claim...In that video posted, I'm guessing you are assuming that what was removed from his pocket is a gun....If that's what you think, that's not those who've seen guns think....but we all have our opinions don't we. Case 2: He was a LICENSED gun holder...Gun was in the glove compartment. He informed the cop which he doesn't have to in Mine law...Cop shot him anyway.. But I guess to you they are armed like mungiki or something... We call that a difference of opinion usually based on life experiences. You have yet to explain the section where I applaud the Kenyan police for shooting people who they claim are "most wanted whatever". Find it, I'll buy you a beer. So we are in agreement that the victims had guns, but which you are saying means different things depending on whether you are in the US (i.e it means NOT ARMED) or in mungiki kenya (i.e. means ARMED). Anyway here are the facts of the cases. NB: I am just stating the facts not in any way condoning the killings. My issue with you is the way you are OUTRAGED by these killings in the US while i never see such outrage when young men are felled daily in Kenya. Case 1: Quote: Officers responded to the store about 12:35 a.m. Tuesday after an anonymous caller indicated a man, later identified as Alton Sterling, 37, selling music CDs and wearing a red shirt threatened him with a gun, Cpl. L’Jean McKneely said. Two officers responded and some type of altercation with the man ensued. One officer fatally shot the suspect, McKneely said. "Get on the ground! Get on the ground!" one officer yells at the beginning of the video clip. One officer is seen pulling the man's left arm down while pressing down on the man's chest. The man's right arm is not visible in the video. "He's got a gun! Gun!" one officer says, prompting another officer, visible in the video, to draw a weapon and point it down at the man's chest following by a flash from the gun. http://www.usatoday.com/...olice-shooting/86738368/ Case 2: Quote: In the video, the woman explains that after being pulled over for a broken taillight, her boyfriend was shot several times while reaching for his license. She says that her boyfriend had told officers before the shooting that he had a gun in the car. In the background, one of the officers can be heard shouting: “I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hands up.” The video begins with a shot of the victim, who appears to be moaning and moving slightly, his left arm and left side bloody. The woman then pans the camera to her face and says matter-of-factly, “They killed my boyfriend.” Looking into the camera, she says that the victim had told officers that he was carrying a weapon — she says he was licensed to do so — and that he was reaching for his wallet when he was shot. http://www.nytimes.com/2...ights-shooting.html?_r=0
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alma1		#17 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 2:50:56 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		I will forgive you since you think I'm a newbie on wazua....My friend if there's anyone more vocal on wazua on police claims of killing Kenyans, you tell me. I think I have a few enemies on this forum for not supporting the common war cry. I will not bother with your accounts but help you a bit to understand Case 1 Read the eyewitness and the person the cops claimed called them. Narrating how the cops approached the fellow and he did nothing. Did not show any gun as the cops shall claim and was actually allowed for years by the owner of the business to sell CD's at the front of the shop. If you know american cops, please don't read what they say, read what the eyewitnesses say. http://www.thedailybeast...e-police-killed-him.html That's a link with raw and unedited video. That was a murder plain and simple. By the way to help you out. It is not a crime in that state to carry a gun...At all!! Case 2: Oh come one, like surely? I won't even bother answering you on this one. This was live on Facebook. Not edited. Not only that. Please take a look at the car photos and point to the broken tail light tafadhali. Even Kenyan cops don't shoot you infront of your kids....ohhhh well I forgot about the jailed lot in Mombasa who killed a child while looking for a "terrorist". The issue here is that there is systematic and institutionalized criminalizing of a black person in the US. Kind like the sort we see on wazua when ODM goes marching and some fellows here are already counting the stones that shall be used in the demo tommorow. It's wrong But if you need facts please note the following story about a white man who took a gun from an officer just yesterday and somehow got away with bond. http://wncn.com/2016/07/...n-at-wake-county-deputy/ Black men in America just need to look at the cop crooked and "not follow instructions". White men can slap a cop and even steal their guns and get away alive. mmmmhhhh I need you to read http://newjimcrow.com/ It has the data masukuma needs and the information you surely would need to read before assuming stuff. Also read http://www.joincampaignzero.org/problem/ and try and understand why this problem is becoming a national tragedy. Something we can learn from and avoid. When you read that book, you will see similarities between that place and this place. Maybe you shall look at race differently. However, I have no faith in my faith in your capacity to do that. Lastly, rather than post on wazua, please go get a visa at the American embassy. They should give you one easy since you seem to believe what fox news spews out there. Then go hire a car in South Carolina. If you drive that car for 24 hours around a not poor black neighbourhood and you are not stopped, please please, call me and I'll buy you a whole crate of alchohol, soda or milk. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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masukuma		#18 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:35:01 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Are blacks targeted? YES!! Would a cop treat a black teenage in a hoodie in the same way as a white boy who looks like a young bill gates the same? NO! human beings develop heuristics over time. Sniff tests as I call them. If you are walking at night and you see a bunch of 6ft tall black boys with hoodies walking your way - would you still walk towards them? Not me! the problem here is that we are looking at things in a very simplistic manner. Even cops are a product of society - they have heuristics that guide them. Should they be quick to pull the trigger - no! but does the black sub culture have a problem? yes! can it be fixed by better policing? No! tuseme ukweli... in Kenya if you go to a green army derby your heuristics tell you not to be shocked if there is violence - right? if you leave your stuff unattended in central province your heuristics tell you they will grow legs. No one is shocked to hear that a man was beaten by a woman in central province - right? it's subcultures... subcultures work... we need to embrace and fix our subcultures and then later expect different treatment from others. since they will not update their heuristics (at a personal level) without you changing that one thing that makes them stereotype everyone. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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alma1		#19 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:40:54 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		masukuma wrote: Are blacks targeted? YES!! Would a cop treat a black teenage in a hoodie in the same way as a white boy who looks like a young bill gates the same? NO! human beings develop heuristics over time. Sniff tests as I call them. If you are walking at night and you see a bunch of 6ft tall black boys with hoodies walking your way - would you still walk towards them? Not me! the problem here is that we are looking at things in a very simplistic manner. Even cops are a product of society - they have heuristics that guide them. Should they be quick to pull the trigger - no! but does the black sub culture have a problem? yes! can it be fixed by better policing? No! tuseme ukweli... in Kenya if you go to a green army derby your heuristics tell you not to be shocked if there is violence - right? if you leave your stuff unattended in central province your heuristics tell you they will grow legs. No one is shocked to hear that a man was beaten by a woman in central province - right? it's subcultures... subcultures work... we need to embrace and fix our subcultures and then later expect different treatment from others. since they will not update their heuristics (at a personal level) without you changing that one thing that makes them stereotype everyone. ditto Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Tokyo		#20 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:56:27 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502		No matter how emotional we get, there is nothing we can do but sympathize with the victims. The best defense against unnecessary loss of life is humbleness. Avoid any confrontation with police officers. Follow their order. work to prosper
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