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mkenyan
#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:09:09 PM
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alma1 wrote:
enyands wrote:
alma1 wrote:
I really would like to know the thinking behind the suggested ICT bill coming up in a parliament near you.

Ati we have a board of gov't appointees, old geezers, and guys who have never seen a laptop deciding who can and should not practise as an IT professional. Worse, they don't even say what IT professional means.

To say that I'm mad is an understatement. First we had the security bill, now we have a bill that states that if you don't have a license from the gov't you can not do anything IT related.

Yaani even the current CS does not have sort of license of whatever kind to practise with this ambigous radioactive law.

Worse, Bill Gates having not cleared university would never have started Microsoft. That other fellow from Apple would not have existed. Paypal, Tesla, yaani even Uber would need their owners to be licensed by the gov't of Kenya.

Let me say this with fear, this law is worse than the security law. Simply because it shall effectively kill any innovation from the young guys and gals coding in the cyber. They won't be allowed to get jobs unless they have a license. What?!!!

Ati you get a degree from a university in Kenya where the lecturer does not even own a laptop.

Madness I tell you madness.

I'm saying this knowing fully well that I qualify based on the draft. Actually more qualified with legit papers from international bodies than the fellows who came with this one.

But never ever in my career have I ever been asked for my license, my papers etc worldwide. I have never even considered that as a reason to hire anyone.

Hii ni Kenya tu.



Wait ati if I have to do IT stuff I have to go apply for license?


Yes and to do IT stuff you have to have a recognized degree or diploma.

eeisshh and you can see their definition of IT stuff. Even my mother does IT stuff with that definition.

I don't know what to tell the digital government. There can be no monopoly of the information age. That's the very reason its called the information age.

Digital my foot. Do they know how many young Kenyans went digital straight from their bedrooms? Even the hacker with 2pm gang started in his bedroom not an institution of lower learning.

so when i take my car to the mechanic and they use those machine things to read its ecu and probably code it to do some stuff...my mechanic would need to an ict license to do that?
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Othelo
#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:17:38 PM
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This is a good start to regulate the sector, it was going wild! smile
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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enyands
#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 7:40:45 PM
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Othelo wrote:
This is a good start to regulate the sector, it was going wild! smile



Respectfully Othello this doesn't feel right in my tummy . In first world I know as long as you have an idea in ICT and never went to school and it looks feasible then you are set.either you will be bought out by a huge company who will pay millions to get your idea rather than having to go through channel of old men to approve your licenses .


Look at Steve Jobs and bill Gates ,they didn't finish damn ICT schools and now they are employing ICT gurus . If they were here in kenya right now with this law they would be wingless eagles .See my point .The problems we have have in Africa is that we clip powers to potential souls .Start a small business and employ 3 people and tell me if kra agents won't be there to audit your books and slap you with tax evasions if you don't cough something little.

I usually use an example of a certain class 6 boy in pokot region was able to make his own hand gun to guard his dad's animals. Guess what, instead of this boy taken to eldoret gun manufacturing company (don't know it's name) to exploit his talent, they put him to cell for several weeks because he is q dangerous criminal.what nonsense is this from a govornment.

Back to my point , if we put these old men in charge of ICT in kenya what are they doing to young vibrant minds surely ? Where is BITANGE NDEMO input in this ? I will really respect his opinion on this matter .He was one of the architect of explosive robust of ict during Kibaki era .I miss this Kibaki govornment and I'm never ashamed to say so.
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murchr
#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:30:25 PM
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As in its about to go to the floor of the house.
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dunkang
#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:33:21 PM
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Hehehehe.
ICT old guards have learnt from the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK).

The Engineers ACT 2011 is just full of bullcrap, worse than that in this your ICT ACT.

But unlike Engineering where Government has a lot of say, i.e. Tenders, approvals, permits etc, ICT is in the hands of the masses. Most of the clients are private people.

This will fail HARD
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enyands
#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:50:42 PM
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murchr wrote:


As in its about to go to the floor of the house.


Kenyans we are dead .parliament where there are also old folks there who rarely know where the ctrl alt del key is or what it does? And are going to pass this bill? Is BITANGE NDEMO for this bill?
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enyands
#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:52:58 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Hehehehe.
ICT old guards have learnt from the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK).

The Engineers ACT 2011 is just full of bullcrap, worse than that in this your ICT ACT.

But unlike Engineering where Government has a lot of say, i.e. Tenders, approvals, permits etc, ICT is in the hands of the masses. Most of the clients are private people.

This will fail HARD


This is sad
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masukuma
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:11:23 PM
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If a barrier for musicians to be of 'good moral standing' or have a 'degree in music' is ludicrous-so is asking one from ICT! do you need a license to be a musician? Those inside the industry understand the parallels between the creativity and tenacity required to 'make it' in music and the same in ICT especially the software side. Outsiders tend to think of the industry in the same way as things like accounting or Medicine or Banking.
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masukuma
#29 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:15:08 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Hehehehe.
ICT old guards have learnt from the Engineers Board of Kenya (EBK).

The Engineers ACT 2011 is just full of bullcrap, worse than that in this your ICT ACT.

But unlike Engineering where Government has a lot of say, i.e. Tenders, approvals, permits etc, ICT is in the hands of the masses. Most of the clients are private people.

This will fail HARD

yeah - by establishment thinkers. These people should take note that in ICT especially software - "there is no country for old thinking".
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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alma1
#30 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:28:42 PM
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Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses.

If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again.

This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts.

It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was.

Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that.

In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON.

1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704

2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know.

Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least.

This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth.

I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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