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Impunity
#4621 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 5:33:35 PM
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DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

obiero
#4622 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:23:35 PM
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Impunity wrote:
DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!

3/4 of KQ staff don't know what hedging means or even worse the number of planes the airline owns

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
ArrestedDev
#4623 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:40:32 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up.

Quote:
Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”.


Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions.

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote]

Obiero that story is a big lie I agree...


@maka Not everything is false. The assertions regarding the two B777s parked at JKIA are true. Even the assertion that the B787 are stretched has some substance in it. 7nos. B787 aircrafts plying 7+ routes - BKK & HKG, AMS, LHR,CAN & HAN, DXB, JNB, CDG & BOM.

As I said read between the lines.



Running those 777s will be one costly affair tht KQ can't handle right now...the planes will only be full at most 1 direction...that would be a disaster on to that add the extra staff needed...HOTAC costs...it's going to be crazy.


You have some iota of truth in one "way full" (but thats seasonal coz what goes around must always come back) but I cant get the disaster in staff since as we know the said staff we are told have been taking paycheck for the last 18 months without blowing a nose....plus if the airplane will be half full, which ghost pax will they be taking to the HATAC?

Teach me tisha.


Yes.Keep wondering too. The HOTAC that @maka is referring to above is related to Deck crew and Cabin crew. The only reasons that I can buy are:

a. The fuel burn rate that those equipment have and since the hedges and the kickbacks cheques are there then it will be expensive to run

b. Currently KQ has no working capital at all such that buying spare parts for the equipment is not feasible.

In overall, KQ need fresh thinking as I have said here.


ArrestedDev
#4624 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 6:45:46 PM
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obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!

3/4 of KQ staff don't know what hedging means or even worse the number of planes the airline owns


Really? Where did you gather such information from. The middle level managers who when they put forward suggestions, the so called directors brush them aside. Fresh thinking at the top is required and not a continuation of the old. Let a CEO with a rich aviation experience be at the helm of KQ and you will see wonders. It is evident that Ngunze is not up to the task at hand.
VituVingiSana
#4625 Posted : Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:41:42 PM
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obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!

3/4 of KQ staff don't know what hedging means or even worse the number of planes the airline owns

Turns out the former CFO of KQ knew what hedging meant... for his pocket.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Impunity
#4626 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:21:55 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,330
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obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!

3/4 of KQ staff don't know what hedging means or even worse the number of planes the airline owns


But they know who was responsible at the time misappropriation was taken place.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#4627 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:24:50 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,330
Location: Masada
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
DBLyon wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
http://nazret.com/blog/index.php/2016/06/30/ethiopian-airlines-says-looking-at


We really need someone who can be on top of things at KQ lest we get swallowed yet we have a good product and well trained manpower at our disposal. The vision 2025 mentioned in the article is our 'project mawingu'.

The biggest mistake that could happen right now is to loose the institutional memory of KQ by firing Ngunze who is the last man standing after all other directors were either fired or resigned.. Let the new guys come in and gradually they shall absorb the wealth of knowledge held by Ngunze.. One year shall be enough. Meanwhile, we await the impressive full year results and outstanding Q1 2016-2017


@Obiero On this, at least, I agree with you.


What a Sh*t!?
The institutional memory of KQ is best held by the middle level managers and the normal @wanjiku worker who has no interest to save the name and interest of some gad fada!

3/4 of KQ staff don't know what hedging means or even worse the number of planes the airline owns

Turns out the former CFO of KQ knew what hedging meant... for his pocket.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

maka
#4628 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:39:35 AM
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Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#4629 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:06:44 PM
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maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....

That is sad. Wasnt it Mwangi who was in Flight Ops at that time. Very decorated executive, but seems wisdom lacked

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
ArrestedDev
#4630 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:41:15 PM
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maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.
maka
#4631 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 1:35:18 PM
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Location: Nairobi
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...
possunt quia posse videntur
Gatheuzi
#4632 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:36:37 PM
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Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
ArrestedDev
#4633 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:42:16 PM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...


Now I get it. Stupid decisions being made by the management. The pilot should have been made to sign for a pay cut before proceeding for this training.Moreover, the CEO and his directors should be the first to volunteer for a pay cut before they ask other employees and things will fall into place. What a BLACK HOLE they are creating for the Company????????? @Obiero, you cannot blame Mwangi, every decision sanctioned by a director is endorsed by the CEO. Ngunze is the one to blame here. Can you see his flaws in decision making????
Impunity
#4634 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:44:32 PM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...


I guess the 10 night allowance is in the CBA you nothing do a bout it.
Why converting to Dreamline when the 777 is already sold? Why not send him home?
This must be a pilot who knows someone somewhere who knows someone very up there.
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ArrestedDev
#4635 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 2:54:15 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...


I guess the 10 night allowance is in the CBA you nothing do a bout it.
Why converting to Dreamline when the 777 is already sold? Why not send him home?
This must be a pilot who knows someone somewhere who knows someone very up there.


Night out allowance is per diem (Away from base allowance) paid during the training.It does not need to be in the CBA as any employee is entitled to it if away on Company related duties as well as training. The B777 pilots are being trained and certified to fly the B787 for the time being and there is nothing sinister about it. It is just how the executives handled it.
VituVingiSana
#4636 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:09:02 PM
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The more info Wazuans put out here the more the 100k bet looks good. Now to pick a charity though I do have some short-listed.

Brexit
Grounded 777s
Folks being paid for NOT flying
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
maka
#4637 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:28:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
The more info Wazuans put out here the more the 100k bet looks good. Now to pick a charity though I do have some short-listed.

Brexit
Grounded 777s
Folks being paid for NOT flying


Lol...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

To be honest pre Mckinsey I think everyone was just out to loot from the airline...Hanoi and Cotonou station managers resigned anyway there were going to be fired...reason:Cotonou;was eating cash for excess baggage...Hanoi petty cash withdrew a few millions for own use neber touched salo for quite a while...


possunt quia posse videntur
ArrestedDev
#4638 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 7:59:21 PM
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maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
The more info Wazuans put out here the more the 100k bet looks good. Now to pick a charity though I do have some short-listed.

Brexit
Grounded 777s
Folks being paid for NOT flying


Lol...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

To be honest pre Mckinsey I think everyone was just out to loot from the airline...Hanoi and Cotonou station managers resigned anyway there were going to be fired...reason:Cotonou;was eating cash for excess baggage...Hanoi petty cash withdrew a few millions for own use neber touched salo for quite a while...




Who is the Accountant at the Head Office in charge of the two outstations? Are there finance staff there and what are they doing? These points to a situation where the internal controls are weak. I hope the loop holes have been fully addressed.
Thiong'o
#4639 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:08:47 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...


Now I get it. Stupid decisions being made by the management. The pilot should have been made to sign for a pay cut before proceeding for this training.Moreover, the CEO and his directors should be the first to volunteer for a pay cut before they ask other employees and things will fall into place. What a BLACK HOLE they are creating for the Company????????? @Obiero, you cannot blame Mwangi, every decision sanctioned by a director is endorsed by the CEO. Ngunze is the one to blame here. Can you see his flaws in decision making????

So you make wrong decisions in your specialty as director and wait for the CEO to cleanse you, no responsibility?
ArrestedDev
#4640 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:17:37 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
Tell me what you think about this..

Ysterday there was a gallery walk for some of the pilots,basically they were being shown the initiatives being done to save KQ.
One of them said that he was taken for some training at Addis that costthe airline 5 million bob when he came back he was requested to take a 60k paycut the guy refused and was told to go on leave,thats from late last year so he has been earning his pay plus 10 nights out allowance even though he is not flying.Sad thing he is not the only one...
The training he went for has expired yet he hasnt been working.He is going to Addis again...
What would you say about this?What was the Director of Flight Ops the boss thinking....


@maka, You are not clear here. Captain returning to ADD again to do what? He is flying which aircraft type to necessitate training once again? All the old directors in KQ should leave if this Company is going to survive. The remaining should go including Ngunze. Incompetence of the highest order.


Moving from B777 to the Dreamliner. ...


Now I get it. Stupid decisions being made by the management. The pilot should have been made to sign for a pay cut before proceeding for this training.Moreover, the CEO and his directors should be the first to volunteer for a pay cut before they ask other employees and things will fall into place. What a BLACK HOLE they are creating for the Company????????? @Obiero, you cannot blame Mwangi, every decision sanctioned by a director is endorsed by the CEO. Ngunze is the one to blame here. Can you see his flaws in decision making????

So you make wrong decisions in your specialty as director and wait for the CEO to cleanse you, no responsibility?


The buck stops with the CEO. No one else. If the CEO was wise enough, he should not have retained the director until he was forced out. The CEO takes the responsibility of all actions taken by his directors. There is nothing that will cleanse him. This is just the tip of the iceberg, it shows there are so many missteps and miscalculations in decision making at KQ.
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