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hardwood wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika? Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks? That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption You should ask about what investment is being put in the fishing industry. Where are the modern fishing vessels and equipment? Where is the sustainable management of fish stock? Where is the capacity development by both levels of government? As it stands, the man at Dunga Beach is competing for market share with a 100 tonne Chinese boat fitted with processing and storage facilities. Very basic economics. Good points there. Our fishing industry is very rudimentary. I have watched documentaries on fishing and trawling and those vessels are floating factories - you fish, process, package and store on board. Also one question - why dont i see fish from the Indian ocean in our markets, while we have such a huge coast line. Ama the ocean has no fish? Good question. The fish is there for sure, and Kenya is even famous for big game fishing. Although on an industrial level I doubt there is any significant investment. In Nairobi I have only seen sea food at overpriced upmarket hotels. It would be interesting to know where they source their fish.
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90% of prawns in Kenya come from TZ. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Do we have cooling systems at any of the facilities of Lake Victoria or at the coast? Then when we go fishing, we eat everything. This is what the Economist said about our fishing industry back in 2006 Quote:....The situation is only a little better in Kenya and Tanzania. In both countries a lack of capital has produced pitiful fishing fleets. Corruption, rife enough on land, is even worse at sea. Illegal and unreported fishing accounts for much of the catch. Marine conservationists say that pretty much everything is wrong with the fishing in east Africa. There is no compliance, limited monitoring and the boats use gear that rips up the seabed and, in some places, the coral reefs. Fish stocks are falling, and their indiscriminate human predators also slaughter numberless dolphins and rare turtles, which get snagged on the lines. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Do we have cooling systems at any of the facilities of Lake Victoria or at the coast? Then when we go fishing, we eat everything. This is what the Economist said about our fishing industry back in 2006 Quote:....The situation is only a little better in Kenya and Tanzania. In both countries a lack of capital has produced pitiful fishing fleets. Corruption, rife enough on land, is even worse at sea. Illegal and unreported fishing accounts for much of the catch. Marine conservationists say that pretty much everything is wrong with the fishing in east Africa. There is no compliance, limited monitoring and the boats use gear that rips up the seabed and, in some places, the coral reefs. Fish stocks are falling, and their indiscriminate human predators also slaughter numberless dolphins and rare turtles, which get snagged on the lines. We have misplaced priorities,In coast, the few cooling facilities are located far away from the fishing points/villages yet the roads from the fishing points/villages to the cooling facilities are in a poor state and impassable during the rain season. I was somewhere along the Kenyan coast where 1kg of octopus was going for 200bob and the only storage facility was to keep the octopus alive in the ocean, while kawaida fish was going for 50 bob per kg due to lack of transport to market If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/9/2012 Posts: 576
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Swenani wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Soon we will import wives from China. We already have carribean and spanish fish in massage parlours Trust Swenani to drop by with the slightest mention of Fiss By any chance Swenani,at the university did you major in Fisi-bility studies? Africa belongs to Africans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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God no..  Someone needs to save us, I can't trust any food originating in China, God knows what those fish have been fed on. The Chinese have no soul. They will sell you anything. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:God no.. Someone needs to save us, I can't trust any food originating in China, God knows what those fish have been fed on. The Chinese have no soul. They will sell you anything. Hapana usiogope! this fish is just harvested at the kenyan coast and parked in the fishing ship,only the package is from china and obviously the packer! 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Impunity wrote:hardwood wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika? Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks? That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption You should ask about what investment is being put in the fishing industry. Where are the modern fishing vessels and equipment? Where is the sustainable management of fish stock? Where is the capacity development by both levels of government? As it stands, the man at Dunga Beach is competing for market share with a 100 tonne Chinese boat fitted with processing and storage facilities. Very basic economics. Good points there. Our fishing industry is very rudimentary. I have watched documentaries on fishing and trawling and those vessels are floating factories - you fish, process, package and store on board. Also one question - why dont i see fish from the Indian ocean in our markets, while we have such a huge coast line. Ama the ocean has no fish? TOO SALTY FISHES. The target masses in the interior will need close to a century to develop a taste for the sea fish. The last time I was in lamu I ate some very delicious fish they called "Samaki wa kupakwa" which i was informed was fished from the ocean and prepared in a special Swahili way. So yes the ocean fish is tasty (just like the salty mogotio goats). How come this fish isn't sold in Nairobi? Also, yesterday I was at Carrefour at the Hub karen and in their sea food section I only saw crabs, lobsters and octopus but no fish. Why isn't anyone selling us the damn sea fish in Nairobi? Some of the biggest cities in the world eg dubai, started as fishing villages many yrs ago. Even the japanese cuisine, sushi, is based on sea fish. So how come we can't find any sea fish in our markets? I believe that our ocean, being at the equator, should have the highest diversity of fish. Strange that at the supermarket i only see salmon and tuna imported from Europe. So shida iko wapi with our ocean fishing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Do we have cooling systems at any of the facilities of Lake Victoria or at the coast? Then when we go fishing, we eat everything. This is what the Economist said about our fishing industry back in 2006 Quote:....The situation is only a little better in Kenya and Tanzania. In both countries a lack of capital has produced pitiful fishing fleets. Corruption, rife enough on land, is even worse at sea. Illegal and unreported fishing accounts for much of the catch. Marine conservationists say that pretty much everything is wrong with the fishing in east Africa. There is no compliance, limited monitoring and the boats use gear that rips up the seabed and, in some places, the coral reefs. Fish stocks are falling, and their indiscriminate human predators also slaughter numberless dolphins and rare turtles, which get snagged on the lines. We have misplaced priorities,In coast, the few cooling facilities are located far away from the fishing points/villages yet the roads from the fishing points/villages to the cooling facilities are in a poor state and impassable during the rain season. I was somewhere along the Kenyan coast where 1kg of octopus was going for 200bob and the only storage facility was to keep the octopus alive in the ocean, while kawaida fish was going for 50 bob per kg due to lack of transport to market Only the county leadership can revive this industry. By organizing groups and saccos. Alternatively, a big fishing company with deep pockets should come in and reorganize the whole industry. Meanwhile, enjoy fish from China, atleast its not Japan where fish is exposed to radioactive material. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:chemirocha wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:How is this possible? Quote:The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200. With corruption, everything is possible Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year. I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies. Which crazy conspiracy? WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale? For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped. Do we have cooling systems at any of the facilities of Lake Victoria or at the coast? Then when we go fishing, we eat everything. This is what the Economist said about our fishing industry back in 2006 Quote:....The situation is only a little better in Kenya and Tanzania. In both countries a lack of capital has produced pitiful fishing fleets. Corruption, rife enough on land, is even worse at sea. Illegal and unreported fishing accounts for much of the catch. Marine conservationists say that pretty much everything is wrong with the fishing in east Africa. There is no compliance, limited monitoring and the boats use gear that rips up the seabed and, in some places, the coral reefs. Fish stocks are falling, and their indiscriminate human predators also slaughter numberless dolphins and rare turtles, which get snagged on the lines. We have misplaced priorities,In coast, the few cooling facilities are located far away from the fishing points/villages yet the roads from the fishing points/villages to the cooling facilities are in a poor state and impassable during the rain season. I was somewhere along the Kenyan coast where 1kg of octopus was going for 200bob and the only storage facility was to keep the octopus alive in the ocean, while kawaida fish was going for 50 bob per kg due to lack of transport to market Only the county leadership can revive this industry. By organizing groups and saccos. Alternatively, a big fishing company with deep pockets should come in and reorganize the whole industry. Meanwhile, enjoy fish from China, atleast its not Japan where fish is exposed to radioactive material. Radioactive??? work to prosper
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