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hardwood
#11 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 11:52:31 AM
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Gathige wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.





Even farmers choice packaged frozen fish fillets clearly indicates- Produce of PRC.


Haiya. I always buy frozen fish fillet hapo kwa supermarket and I have never checked the finer details on the labeling. I have always assumed the fish is from lake Victoria.
Swenani
#12 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 12:09:06 PM
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chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?


If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
chemirocha
#13 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 12:19:35 PM
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Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.
Swenani
#14 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 12:37:14 PM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
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chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
hardwood
#15 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 12:57:52 PM
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Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?


Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks?
Swenani
#16 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 1:04:01 PM
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Posts: 13,237
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hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?


Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks?


That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
hardwood
#17 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 1:16:27 PM
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
I was shocked to see chicken feet from china being sold in one of our supermarkets.
chemirocha
#18 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 1:44:22 PM
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Location: Rift Valley
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?


Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks?


That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption


You should ask about what investment is being put in the fishing industry.

Where are the modern fishing vessels and equipment? Where is the sustainable management of fish stock? Where is the capacity development by both levels of government?

As it stands, the man at Dunga Beach is competing for market share with a 100 tonne Chinese boat fitted with processing and storage facilities. Very basic economics.
hardwood
#19 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 2:05:39 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?


Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks?


That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption


You should ask about what investment is being put in the fishing industry.

Where are the modern fishing vessels and equipment? Where is the sustainable management of fish stock? Where is the capacity development by both levels of government?

As it stands, the man at Dunga Beach is competing for market share with a 100 tonne Chinese boat fitted with processing and storage facilities. Very basic economics.


Good points there. Our fishing industry is very rudimentary. I have watched documentaries on fishing and trawling and those vessels are floating factories - you fish, process, package and store on board.

Also one question - why dont i see fish from the Indian ocean in our markets, while we have such a huge coast line. Ama the ocean has no fish?
Impunity
#20 Posted : Monday, July 04, 2016 2:48:47 PM
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hardwood wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How is this possible?

Quote:
The Standard bought a carton of fish at the Kisumu go-down for Sh2,000. One 10kg carton carries 60 pieces of tilapia, each weighing between 200-300 grammes. This means a piece of the imported tilapia goes for Sh30 in the market. This is cheaper than the local tilapia which cost between Sh100 and Sh200.




With corruption, everything is possible

Even toothpicks from china are way cheaper than toothpicks made in kenya


The Chinese export almost 500,000 tonnes of fish every year.

I think you'll find that its simple economies of scale and not crazy conspiracies.


Which crazy conspiracy?

WHY can't Kenya process enough fish for it's market and maybe serve the regional markets as well to maximize on the economies of scale?




For a start our fishing industry is very underdeveloped.


Stop taking me in circles, why is it underdeveloped? Why is fish rotting in Kiunga, Busia,kampi ya samaki, shimoni,sio port, victoria port,watamu, ngemeni etc yet we import fish from China and there is idle capacity in Thika?


Agriculture and fishing are devolved. The governors in those areas should tell us what is happening. What does it take to dry or smoke fish. Or fillet the fish and put in deep freezers (now that we have power in nearly all areas/trading centres) waiting for middle men with their refrigerated trucks?


That's why I'm asking @Chemirocha to tell me why because he said it's not corruption


You should ask about what investment is being put in the fishing industry.

Where are the modern fishing vessels and equipment? Where is the sustainable management of fish stock? Where is the capacity development by both levels of government?

As it stands, the man at Dunga Beach is competing for market share with a 100 tonne Chinese boat fitted with processing and storage facilities. Very basic economics.


Good points there. Our fishing industry is very rudimentary. I have watched documentaries on fishing and trawling and those vessels are floating factories - you fish, process, package and store on board.

Also one question - why dont i see fish from the Indian ocean in our markets, while we have such a huge coast line. Ama the ocean has no fish?


TOO SALTY FISHES.
The target masses in the interior will need close to a century to develop a taste for the sea fish.
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