I have a number of words that describe you but let me not use them.

What is the value of STOLEN MONEY. What value should I see in money that is borrowed, stolen and then Kenyans are left with decades of repayment bills.

Is it that you don't understand stuff or you just want to be a nuisance??? The issue is not loans. The issue is that they are stolen!!! And we will be left paying for money that ended in people's pockets!!!

@Sparkly - Read this and tell me what the value is!! This is what happens. We continue to LITERALLY pay for corruption long after the corrupt dealings!!!

Why are you pretending to be in Utopia? The corruption you speak of is by your tribesmen who are in power. Go tell them to return our money ala!

The real beneficiaries are known. The Indians are just conduits. Tell us who the biggest thieves are in this country.

Leta matusi yote. The truth is known who the thieves are. I challenge you to expand the list beyond waikuru, whom you have already named.

akili yangu imekonda, yako imenona yaani "thick"

@maichblack, don't bother to respond to @sparkly anymore.

It's not worth it. He is either a member of the eating cabal (highly doubt it ), or one of those delusional sycophants.

Either way, the argument can only go downhill.

You can tag-team with him. I will take you both on.

ooo uganda is shifting to mogadishu port, ooo uganda is moving to lagos port etc etc

"“The good performance was mainly attributed to Uganda recording a volume increase of 117,840 tonnes or 4.6 per cent,” she said."

http://www.businessdaily...6/-/132mbox/-/index.html

[quote=innairobi]ooo uganda is shifting to mogadishu port, ooo uganda is moving to lagos port etc etc

"“The good performance was mainly attributed to Uganda recording a volume increase of 117,840 tonnes or 4.6 per cent,” she said."

http://www.businessdaily.../-/132mbox/-/index.html[/quote]


By the way, we don’t split hairs when others say they’re shifting to Durban, Khartoum, Djibouti, lagos, Durban, tanga, whatever. There are many countries doing just fine and they’re not transport hubs. ION, Ethiopia has grown its GDP by large margins within the last 15 yrs or so yet it is non mineral and not transport hub. +254 ought to support itself transport or no transport.
What we’re saying is that inflated project cost eats up resources that could be directed elsewhere…and if the returns cannot pay for the principal and the interest, this means you have to get resources from elsewhere to service the debts. This keeps our growth stunted. If I am wrong, I will be very happy indeed.

not sure who 'we' is but there are different claims by different people in this thread. was responding to one of them. though i'm yet to hear any rational person in kenya saying corruption is okay or its okay to inflate costs. my own problem as i've stated before is many people make claims of cost inflation, uganda cargo moving to TZ etc, without credible supporting data. when they do provide data, they dont want it interrogated. ni matusi tu.

using ethiopia as a growth model for kenya requires caution as its coming from a lower base. also, i am not sure i want a government that dispossesses me of my land whenever it feels like with hardly any compensation all under the guise of national progress. neither do i want a kenyan worker on the sgr earning slightly more than my househelp. ethiopia is a complex story. the oromo (largest ethnic group), amhara and somalis in ethiopia would likely not agree that ethiopia is moving forward for all. its just a few months ago that hundreds of oromos died fighting what the government packaged as progress.

the problem with many kenyans is we want to eat our cake and have it. we want ethiopia's growth rate without ethiopia's growth conditions.