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Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:alma1 wrote:enyands wrote:masukuma wrote:Wachana na uncle Tom AKA @hardwood. People stuck in time. Masukuma I think what I realised is most people who talk panganga hapa about people staying in their countries have never been immigrant and the far they have ever gone is west Africa . So they don't know what it feels to be an economic, political, war refugee or just immigrant.Tell that to ngugi wa Thiong'o or former CJ MUTUNGA . They have always been well off here in kenya and belong to the correct political class.They just don't understand what going to a foreign country is if not only trying to learn their language like french . Inaitwa kutembea uone mengi. Even as we speak I'm an immigrant. You can't kill it .You adapt or die. Its called evolution 101 lol... nothing sorts you out like moving from your motherland to just see other places. Saa hii niko "nje" but sio "immigrant per se". I remember writing this sometime last year after i saw how Hungary was behaving That arab spring is the cause of ALL OF THIS! people should learn to let each other "be". Even open minded countries like Switzerland upped immigration rules and clumped on people in "exile". I think a prosperous Europe was a liberal europe - they looked with magnanimity towards those few immigrants that made their way to their shores. In their heads they would say.. "oh poor buggers. Let's give them some charity" but the world was slowly shifting underneath them - China and the east started eating their cheese and ghafla bin vuu they found that things were not like they used to be "in the 60s". However, I don't really think the tide will change much. Immigration is the way of the human race and even right now the immigrants are leaving their genetic footprint in these lands. History is one continuous flow of domino effects. I was listening to a radio program I don't remember which but it could have been NPR and one guest drew the cause of what we are seeing now in Europe much farther back. His theory was that in the 60s, 70s and 80s most of what is consumed in the industrialized world was produced in very few places namely, USA, France, Britain, Germany, Japan and much later Korea. You remember cars, stereos anything electronic you can think about was produced in those 5 or so countries and consumed not just in Kenya but everywhere else in the world. What this meant is that the whole world was buying goods from a few and they acted like a monopoly, prices were high and this afforded them high paying jobs for a good portion of their population who enjoyed a high quality of life. Does anyone remember how expensive stereos and TVs were in the 80s? So the biggest disruption in this scarce labor market came from China. Starting in the late 80s growing in the 90s and peeking in the 2000s a labor force equal or bigger than what had existed in the previous 30 years entered the market and to compound the problem they were much more efficient and much cheaper. So all the money that was flowing from the rest of the world to prop up jobs and lifestyles in the US, Britain, France, Germany starts to flow to China. Look at everything you wear, look at the things in your house, look at the things in your pocket and discover that probably more than half if not more is made in China. It is not just here in Kenya but probably everyone in the world including in those developed countries has goods and services supplied by China. indeed... I am struggling to understand what bargaining power the nationalistic interests have? whats their play? protectionism? tarrifs for all external stuff? how will they sell their stuff expensive? arm twist the rest of the world to buy expensive things? now that the common market in Europe may just decide to make an example out of them. I am not sure what the play is going to be - but I am watching. Masukuma, I think this Brexit group is more reactionary that proactive..... I think I read somewhere that they were even surprised that they had won. I do not think they have a plan or even if they have one they have not thought it through. There was a wazuan here, I do not remember who, who gave a story of his uncle or his dad who went to Mang'u those early days when if only he had stayed his life would have been different but he left in a huff because he was too proud and did not like something that he was told to do. The wazuan then said how profound the saying "jishinde ushinde" is. I guess it is the same thing, there are living proud Wazungus who remember how great Great Britain once was or how Great America once was and they think that if we can just kick out all these immigrants who were not here when we were great we can have our greatness back. They do not know they have been priced out of the market. I think they might try protectionism or tariffs but that might take too long. I see a country somewhere being bombed to create the necessary forcing of hand to renegotiate terms and make new rules. It has always worked in the past. An enemy outside must be found or created to unite the inside. Whatever happens this is going to be very interesting to see how things unfold. I could not understand the reasons why a rational population (Britain) could vote to leave Europe. So I took some time to watch the pre-vote debates which I had earlier ignored. Nigel Farage makes a lot of sense in his argument for BREXIT. He took on all debate challengers and made good and well argued reasons for why Britain needs to leave the EU. The people who voted leave are not the morons we are made to believe, they are living in a globalised environment that we can not begin to imagine from Nairobi. Infact I challenge any of you to spend a couple of weekends at the high end malls and tell me you will not feel slightly overwelmed by the number of foreigners you see around. The leave voters are not as stupid or as myopic as we think, they know where the world is headed, they are only trying to regain control. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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