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masukuma
#101 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 2:30:23 PM
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hardwood wrote:

No... the policies may be friendly but the small tent, xenophobic, nationalist thinking that made this possible will not play nice with the commonwealth. The nasty is out and it knows it has company. They will grow braver and chauvinistic. No one wins on this.
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Kratos
#102 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 2:40:26 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:

No... the policies may be friendly but the small tent, xenophobic, nationalist thinking that made this possible will not play nice with the commonwealth. The nasty is out and it knows it has company. They will grow braver and chauvinistic. No one wins on this.


I find that opinion piece a tad bit patronising, that the UK can leave Euro which is an economic bloc and concentrate on the commonwealth another trade bloc in which it sits on the high table and sets the agenda from which it can benefit much more immensely as compared to the other member countries. Anyway wacha tujionee

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
masukuma
#103 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 3:02:16 PM
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Kratos wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:

No... the policies may be friendly but the small tent, xenophobic, nationalist thinking that made this possible will not play nice with the commonwealth. The nasty is out and it knows it has company. They will grow braver and chauvinistic. No one wins on this.


I find that opinion piece a tad bit patronising, that the UK can leave Euro which is an economic bloc and concentrate on the commonwealth another trade bloc in which it sits on the high table and sets the agenda from which it can benefit much more immensely as compared to the other member countries. Anyway wacha tujionee

You know the frame of mind that voted to exit Europe is not the same frame of mind that created the commonwealth. It was a liberal mindset that conceived and created the commonwealth. The mindset that has voted "leave" is an isolationist mindset and thus automatically assuming that since Europe is gone we will have the commonwealth picking up the pieces is misguided.
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hardwood
#104 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 3:32:33 PM
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It is migrants who have made the UK to leave the EU. Migrants from eastern Europe.

http://www.vox.com/2016/...eu-referendum-immigrants
Wakanyugi
#105 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 4:51:55 PM
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This was carried in the Onion the other day. It is sad to see farce turn into tragedy right in front of our, largely helpless, eyes.



British voters will decide Thursday whether the U.K. should remain a member of the European Union. Here are the leading arguments for and against the U.K. leaving the E.U.:

FOR

- First step in returning Britain to its pre-1970s glory as an economically languishing failed colonial empire
- In the face of a resurgent Russia and increased threats from ISIS, leaving E.U. would be the best strategy for letting someone else deal with that shit
- Britons could once again refocus their hatred on internal class divisions
- One less goddamn flag everyone has to hang up
- Won’t have to take part in awkward process of denying Bosnia and Herzegovina’s E.U. membership request
- Throughout its history, Britain has always been a valiant defender of the right of smaller territories to separate from larger, oppressive governments
- Pretty airtight way for citizens to mask racism as concern for national autonomy

AGAINST

- Could lead to a chain reaction in which other member states consider leaving and then realize their economy would collapse if they did so
- Abandonment of E.U. would significantly delay transition to single totalitarian world government
- Could possibly make things awkward when bumping into Denmark or Malta at United Nations summits
- The windswept Swiss Alps! The stunning Sagrada Familia! The radiant vineyards of Tuscany!
- Never a good idea to find yourself on Luxembourg’s bad side
- Free trade agreements keep price of imported wiener würstchen low
- Fewer people for David Cameron to order around
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#106 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 5:09:51 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Kratos wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:

No... the policies may be friendly but the small tent, xenophobic, nationalist thinking that made this possible will not play nice with the commonwealth. The nasty is out and it knows it has company. They will grow braver and chauvinistic. No one wins on this.


I find that opinion piece a tad bit patronising, that the UK can leave Euro which is an economic bloc and concentrate on the commonwealth another trade bloc in which it sits on the high table and sets the agenda from which it can benefit much more immensely as compared to the other member countries. Anyway wacha tujionee


You know the frame of mind that voted to exit Europe is not the same frame of mind that created the commonwealth. It was a liberal mindset that conceived and created the commonwealth. The mindset that has voted "leave" is an isolationist mindset and thus automatically assuming that since Europe is gone we will have the commonwealth picking up the pieces is misguided.


Applause Applause Applause Applause

And there, children, is a perfect summary of what is wrong with our World today. The visionary post World war 1 and 2 leadership that conceived the global architecture - from UN, EU, World Bank, WTO etc - that has served as so well is everywhere on the retreat if not gone.

What he have now as leaders are opportunist dimwits who can't see beyond the next election, leave alone the next generation. It might take another World war, or similar catastrophe, to shake us out of our short mindedness.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Rollout
#107 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 5:48:08 PM
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Got a briefing this morning from one of the cabinet member. Here is the highlights:

1. No one knows the extend of the implication
2. The vote is not binding and it's up to the parliament to proceed with legislation that will result in pullout by principle and by law
3. If the parliament do not do anything in 3 year, UK will automatically exit in principle but the laws will not change meaning that the laws that were in place before the exit will remain in place.

The briefing was meant to reassure the markets( before north American markets open)
murchr
#108 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 5:50:52 PM
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Rollout wrote:
Got a briefing this morning from one of the cabinet member. Here is the highlights:

1. No one knows the extend of the implication
2. The vote is not binding and it's up to the parliament to proceed with legislation that will result in pullout by principle and by law
3. If the parliament do not do anything in 3 year, UK will automatically exit in principle but the laws will not change meaning that the laws that were in place before the exit will remain in place.

The briefing was meant to reassure the markets( before north American markets open)


The Dow is struggling to hold
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kratos
#109 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 7:00:17 PM
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“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Taurrus
#110 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 9:27:03 PM
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Truth be told hawa watu wako mature and their systems work! can't imagine they don't even have a written constitution!
Hongera! this side is catching up 3016!
murchr
#111 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2016 10:12:41 PM
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Effects of taking politicians too seriously



Some Leave voters said they felt lied to, as one Twitter user wrote: "I personally voted Leave believing these lies and I regret it more than anything, I feel genuinely robbed of my vote."

The tweet came after Nigel Farage admitted on Good Morning Britain it was a "mistake" for the Leave campaign to claim the £350 million reportedly given to the EU each week would go to the NHS instead.

http://www.telegraph.co....brexit-voter-changes-he/
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#112 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:35:07 AM
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hardwood
#113 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:56:45 AM
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Revealed: Brexit referendum is NOT legally binding. May not happen.

http://www.theguardian.c...on-sovereign-parliament

Many who voted for BREXIT now say they regret the decision and that they never knew it was this serious. They want another referendum so that they can vote to REMAIN in EU.

http://www.dailymail.co....t-think-vote-count.html
masukuma
#114 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 11:03:57 AM
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I was a fan of Yes Minister...

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Swenani
#115 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 11:04:24 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Revealed: Brexit referendum is NOT legally binding. May not happen.

http://www.theguardian.c...on-sovereign-parliament

Many who voted for BREXIT now say they regret the decision and that they never knew it was this serious. They want another referendum so that they can vote to REMAIN in EU.

http://www.dailymail.co....t-think-vote-count.html


What has Baba said about this?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
hardwood
#116 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 11:06:17 AM
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Eastern Europeans, many who work as cooks and watchmen in Britain, and as cleaners, housegirls and mjengo guys, now fear for their future after the Brexit vote.

http://www.dailymail.co....ritain-Brexit-vote.html

masukuma
#117 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 11:11:02 AM
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these are the brilliant minds that voted "leave"

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hardwood
#118 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 11:24:28 AM
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Trump is very happy with brexit.

Quote:
At his presser in Scotland this morning, Trump said: ‘People are angry all over the world. They’re angry over borders, they’re angry over people coming into the country and taking over and nobody even knows who they are. They’re angry about many, many things in the UK. It’s essentially the same thing that’s happening in the United States.’



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co....s-it.html#ixzz4CZsw4pVf
Intelligentsia
#119 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:47:46 PM
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Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Revealed: Brexit referendum is NOT legally binding. May not happen.

http://www.theguardian.c...on-sovereign-parliament

Many who voted for BREXIT now say they regret the decision and that they never knew it was this serious. They want another referendum so that they can vote to REMAIN in EU.

http://www.dailymail.co....t-think-vote-count.html


What has Baba said about this?


CORD is united in rejecting the Brexit vote and has called for demos on monday.
masukuma
#120 Posted : Saturday, June 25, 2016 1:47:04 PM
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