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Kenya V/s US
Scubidu
#11 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:08:08 PM
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@vvs. interesting opinions and I'd like to attempt to contribute to this topic. But firsly could you explain that statement further...
What folks do NOT realise is that the 'restrictions' on Kenya banks also caused high inflation & low economic growth.

Unfortunately I'm one of dem folks. And as for the Kenyan shylocks, how do they tie in to that statement above.

I don't understand what you mean that Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac caused the problems in housing as far being guaranteed by Congress. Who regulated the FMs? As I understand (from what I read) they provided liquidity through CMBS as well as a self-regulating mechanism to mortgage lenders...i thot this system worked well, but the degeneration of these standards were accelerated by the banks that assumed that role (in collusion with ratings agencies & urged on by the Fed)...so doesn't selah's point on liberalization make sense (less the China comparison).

If a deregulated banking system creates economic growth and low inflation, historically, why have any bailouts at all...if the judge of prosperity is low savings rate, but high standard of living dependent on a spendthrift mentality then, somebodies got to pay for (what the austrians call) the unwinding the malinvestments. High risk, high reward model seems unsustainable, and not every1 can do it at the same time. but a lot can be done to make the Kenyan banking system more efficient...my 2 cents.
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43:05 PM
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Shylocks lend outside the system. I am sure it is a huge amount BUT there are no stats. Mostly unreported. MFIs, Equity & Family have taken a bite out of the business of shylocks.

That said... shylocks performed a service... They gave (sometimes) unsecured loans OR speedy loans... Very useful if u have an awesome deal... not good for any sort of long-term borrowing!
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VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:44:59 PM
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@scubidu - Bailouts are a Moral Hazard... They generally benefit the profligate & punish the cautious!

As for the FMs... u can read the stuff online... It is too much to explain here... I cant start typing it all out... and I do not have the time either!
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Scubidu
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:05:19 AM
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Who are the FMs? Fannie Mae was chartered by the U.S. Congress as a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) in 1968 and Freddie Mac in 1970. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac created a liquid secondary market for mortgages. This meant that financial institutions no longer had to hold onto the mortgages they originated, but could sell them into the secondary market shortly after origination. This in turn freed up their funds such that they could then make additional mortgages.

Found some of those sources showing that FMs were enablers, but interesting how they mention the element of competition creeping in, the catalyst to the crisis. Read more:

http://www.investopedia....e-mac-credit-crisis.asp

http://www.bloomberg.com...;refer=columnist_hassett
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VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:02:59 PM
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@scubidu - Great reading, huh?

Essentially, the FMs became too huge & the political clout was immense... Warren Buffett warned about them...
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Scubidu
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:58:10 AM
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Yes it was a great read, indeed and saw ur point. There was a plan to introduce MBS in Kenya, I think maybe part of REIT initiative...u think a company like HFCK could perform the same functions the FMs did? Provide a secondary market for mortgage origination? I would assume they'd need a large amount of liquid assets on the balance sheet...perhaps more govt bonds.

btw u considering a pilgrimage to see WB sometime in the future, is that even possible to meet a $ billionaire, it only makes sense to meet ur mentor.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Wa_ithaka
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:27:52 AM
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I actually think those saying there are differences in banking regulation between Kenya and US are missing the boat completely. Au contraire, there are similarities. Like in the US, the Kenyan banking regulators have been captured by GoK and banks and merely operate at their whim. Can u see Ndungu ever closing down any bank let alone Equity or KCB?

Where there are differences and what has saved the Kenyan banking system, is that we have a very simple banking model and Kenyans are not yet at the same "borrow and spend" levels that the fat Americans are at.
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Ric dees
#18 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:33:17 AM
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Banking in Kenya: Conservative approach or underdeveloped??

Who were the FM's and what was their role prior 2001 that's when all hell broke loose??
This is a complicated subject and views are varied depending on where you sit...i will not attempt to anyway.

Lets break this down simply..
Is banking driven by the government or market/industry dynamics? I know if today my bank charges me ATM fees..well i simply move -
The government has a duty here to protect the masses, and that's what the west is doing - and that practice is given a fancy name!! Is the government of Kenya duly bound to it's people?

Due to the lack of competition banks in Africa have a field day and easily make profits hence without taking risks with names!!

Back to the header: Conservative or Underdeveloped??




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VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:59:50 AM
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@Ric Dees - IMHO... Kenya lucked out... not coz conservative but under-developed...
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