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KulaRaha wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. If SGR is successful, impact will be immediate and visible: far fewer trucks on the road. the microwave generation, instant gratification
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. If SGR is successful, impact will be immediate and visible: far fewer trucks on the road. the microwave generation, instant gratification After spending that kind of stupid money, gratification must be instant. Unless you're making excuses already? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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The mistake Kenyans and Africans make is to build infrastructure for importing finished products rather than building infrastructure to move raw materials to factories and there afterfinished products to ports for exports If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Swenani wrote:The mistake Kenyans and Africans make is to build infrastructure for importing finished products rather than building infrastructure to move raw materials to factories and there afterfinished products to ports for exports Building regional import infrastructure does not negate the need to create export infrastructure.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Swenani wrote:The mistake Kenyans and Africans make is to build infrastructure for importing finished products rather than building infrastructure to move raw materials to factories and there afterfinished products to ports for exports  
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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Lolest! wrote:Swenani wrote:The mistake Kenyans and Africans make is to build infrastructure for importing finished products rather than building infrastructure to move raw materials to factories and there afterfinished products to ports for exports this is a lie  I have never seen anywhere in Kenya that flow of goods is incoming(import) and no outgoing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Thiong'o wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36468132 This is just regurgitated news. I think the quality of BBC/Aljazeera/CNN news reporting about Africa is really wanting. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2011 Posts: 1,740 Location: Nairobi
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I for one do not understand why everyone including BBC and some Kenyans think Kenya can only succeed in the absence of competition from the other countries. --- Scacity medality
I will be counted by saying bring it on we beat you as we did the last many years.
Why did the TZs , Ugandans beat us before even when our forefathers used to carry chicken on theirs head to Mombasa. The same will apply even now.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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What's making this and other projects not make any economic sense is cost inflation by tenderpreneurs. If Thika road was done today,im sure it would cost more than 100B.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! Yep its "ONLY the width". Just like the difference between an old Bedford lorry and a brand new turbocharged Mercedes Actros is "ONLY the width".  
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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whiteowl wrote:What's making this and other projects not make any economic sense is cost inflation by tenderpreneurs. If Thika road was done today,im sure it would cost more than 100B. How, I thought the sgr is like 95% funded by the Chinese, and they have undertaken everything from the design to implementation, to supplying the trains, to building the stations, to operating the thing for the first 5 or so years and also knowledge transfer, kwani the guys from china have also become tender-preneurs? I understand huko guys face the firing squad.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Cost of repossessing Land in Kenya is the main problem.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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I was at the SGR section in Sultan Hamud, man si that thing looks uglish! Its like a Great Wall of China exported to kenya. Why did they have to raise the thing that high in its entire length? It has completely blocked the beautiful scenery from the Lunatic line plus along the Mombasa road (in sections they run parallel and close). The community plus the wild animals have been separated by that ugly wall of earth soil, I managed to climb it and its almost 10 meters high. To me they should have just let it lie on the level ground as the Lunatic line or the mombasa road and fence it all through with tunnels for wanjiku to pass with his/her cows. And dont tell that the raised platform was meant to shieled animals coz I saw with my own eyes goats climbing the waals and eating the sweet grasses that have grown on the walls. I like rails but this design HAPANA. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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kollabo wrote:Cost of repossessing Land in Kenya is the main problem. Is this factual ama you are just guessing? I thot the cost of land repossession was settled by the govt directly. My educated guess is that wenye nchi have kulad upto 40% of the SGR costs. But, because we are getting the railway line, is ok. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Impunity wrote:I was at the SGR section in Sultan Hamud, man si that thing looks uglish!
Its like a Great Wall of China exported to kenya.
Why did they have to raise the thing that high in its entire length? It has completely blocked the beautiful scenery from the Lunatic line plus along the Mombasa road (in sections they run parallel and close).
The community plus the wild animals have been separated by that ugly wall of earth soil, I managed to climb it and its almost 10 meters high.
To me they should have just let it lie on the level ground as the Lunatic line or the mombasa road and fence it all through with tunnels for wanjiku to pass with his/her cows.
And dont tell that the raised platform was meant to shieled animals coz I saw with my own eyes goats climbing the waals and eating the sweet grasses that have grown on the walls.
I like rails but this design HAPANA.
@impunity, do you have an idea why the ground was raised. I am sure there must be a reason. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Impunity wrote:I was at the SGR section in Sultan Hamud, man si that thing looks uglish!
Its like a Great Wall of China exported to kenya.
Why did they have to raise the thing that high in its entire length? It has completely blocked the beautiful scenery from the Lunatic line plus along the Mombasa road (in sections they run parallel and close).
The community plus the wild animals have been separated by that ugly wall of earth soil, I managed to climb it and its almost 10 meters high.
To me they should have just let it lie on the level ground as the Lunatic line or the mombasa road and fence it all through with tunnels for wanjiku to pass with his/her cows.
And dont tell that the raised platform was meant to shieled animals coz I saw with my own eyes goats climbing the waals and eating the sweet grasses that have grown on the walls.
I like rails but this design HAPANA.
@impunity, do you have an idea why the ground was raised. I am sure there must be a reason. Some Jubilee Neanderthal told me it was raised in order to avoid hitting wild animals and people with their domestic animals crossing. But I saw women dangling on their heads, bags while climbing up the 10 meter column. Its ugly, I usually see it on TV and I all along thought it was for some specific sections, like areas prone to floods etc, but kumbe its for the entire length. No wonder the exhobitant cost. In Europe and even China by the way, rails are only raised in populated town areas and over swampy areas..the entire tracks in the bunduz is usually fenced for a higher speed line. If the elevation was meant to thwart animals and people from crossing the line then it has failed, THIE UKIAMAGA style. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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By the way the rail lines which are usually entiley elevated are the Bullet Lines...doing speeds in the order of 350km...why elevate a line which will struggle to maintain a meager 80km/h on a straight stretch? Mark you the Lunatic Line, designed in 1890s can accomodate speeds of up to 72km/h on safe stretches. These are the results you get when you put a @Maina to decide a railway matters...pesa tu, people who have never boarded a train in their life are the MDs of the same. What do u expect? Portfolio: Sold
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