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Zombies on the NSE - 2016
VituVingiSana
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:14:59 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MadDoc
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 7:47:28 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 10/26/2015
Posts: 151
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Kurwitu itakuwa?Laughing out loudly
Plimsoul
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:34:15 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/3/2016
Posts: 132
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:48:11 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

CMA. Headed by the son of Britam's chairman. Britam can do what it wants. Perhaps even Equity.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Plimsoul
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:01:16 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/3/2016
Posts: 132
VituVingiSana wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

CMA. Headed by the son of Britam's chairman. Britam can do what it wants. Perhaps even Equity.


I would imagine that it's in the interest of everyone in the long term, especially of large shareholders of listed companies, to have investors believe in the integrity of the capital markets.

Short term thinking, non-shareholder CEOs pursuing selfish goals to the long term detriment of the entire market should worry Britam and Equity shareholders more than anyone. No?


MaichBlack
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:23:08 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,841
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

I felt this was stupid and careless!!

How do you put half a billion into an investment without doing due diligence because there is an "information memorandum"???

Jamii bora has resources, manpower, networks and know how to conduct due diligence!!! This is total upus, and the excuse should get jamii bora shareholders very worried!! Anyone who puts half a billion of your money into a company in (total) distress without doing due diligence should be shown the door by yesterday!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Plimsoul
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:27:28 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/3/2016
Posts: 132
MaichBlack wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

I felt this was stupid and careless!!

How do you put half a billion into an investment without doing due diligence because there is an "information memorandum"???

Jamii bora has resources, manpower, networks and know how to conduct due diligence!!! This is total upus, and the excuse should get jamii bora shareholders very worried!! Anyone who puts half a billion of your money into a company in (total) distress without doing due diligence should be shown the door by yesterday!


So the information memorandum meant for the public, allowed by the regulator, is found to be fraudulent, and we blame the victims?
Spikes
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:33:20 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
VituVingiSana wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

CMA. Headed by the son of Britam's chairman. Britam can do what it wants. Perhaps even Equity.



I can confirm without fear or contradiction Britam and Equity are time bombs! Time will tell!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
MaichBlack
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:34:57 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/22/2009
Posts: 7,841
Plimsoul wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
A Zombie firm is one that is as good as dead but for some reason it is still 'alive' but flailing.

Examples:

Kenya Airways: Negative Equity, begging for loans everywhere, looking for bailouts and Scams Inc is in charge.

Uchumi: A major shareholder says it was conned. Stores closing, suppliers not supplying goods, customers avoiding the stores and there was Scam Inc in charge.
http://www.businessdaily...-/15d0iooz/-/index.html

NBK: It cannot grow, Scam Inc remains in charge, poor loan quality, etc.

Others include:

ADSS, Eveready, Sameer.

Sameer: Merali. 'Nuff said. Even the Chinese don't want to deal with him! http://www.businessdaily.../-/12khyle/-/index.html



Uchumi story is quite something.
“As a listed company, we got the transaction approved by all regulators but the information memorandum was a work of fiction, it did not reflect what we found there,” said Mr Kimani yesterday at the bank’s annual general meeting.

“We feel cheated because unlike a private company where you do due diligence, a listed company you depend on the information memorandum provided.”


That captures our problems as investors perfectly. Hopefully, now that he chairs the NSE board, he can help drive listed company disclosures and protect us.

I felt this was stupid and careless!!

How do you put half a billion into an investment without doing due diligence because there is an "information memorandum"???

Jamii bora has resources, manpower, networks and know how to conduct due diligence!!! This is total upus, and the excuse should get jamii bora shareholders very worried!! Anyone who puts half a billion of your money into a company in (total) distress without doing due diligence should be shown the door by yesterday!


So the information memorandum meant for the public, allowed by the regulator, is found to be fraudulent, and we blame the victims?

Both!!!

You are a Wazuan. You've seen how they dig for information before putting their money anywhere. And we are talking about people with far much less resources than Jamii Bora and investing much much less.

The regulator should ensure that all the information is factual. Do they ever??? The investor should do due diligence before putting money anywhere. Wazuans do. Other Kenyans do. Why would Jamii Bora simply read a document on the way to become the main shareholder??? Stupid!!!

We even interrogate published results here. You don't have to be a genius to know there a is a lot of "creative accounting" and misinformation in the business world!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ericsson
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:38:26 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
The CEO is shifting blame elsewhere for the investment in uchumi.
If it was in other countries he should have resigned asap
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