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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! yes, plus of more importance is that the current sgr line being laid can accommodate higher speeds than the older one. And higher load capacity Higher speeds yes,load capacity not quite. In general, the narrower the gage the more the restrictions while the broader the gauge the more the capacity. Metre Gauge allows 47 Kg load per metre of rail while Standard Gauge allows 60 Kg load per metre of rail. That's why america changed their gauges from sgr to broad gauge. If thats the case then,why build a new line instead of widening the old? The technology is different from that of 1800s. Plus the old one can/will be used interchangeably. They tried to rehabilitate but wezi wa scrap metal were always plucking making it expensive. Wacha tuone wakiiba concrete. Just a question, where would you widen it in Kibera? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Rift Valley
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Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! yes, plus of more importance is that the current sgr line being laid can accommodate higher speeds than the older one. And higher load capacity Higher speeds yes,load capacity not quite. In general, the narrower the gage the more the restrictions while the broader the gauge the more the capacity. Metre Gauge allows 47 Kg load per metre of rail while Standard Gauge allows 60 Kg load per metre of rail. That's why america changed their gauges from sgr to broad gauge. If thats the case then,why build a new line instead of widening the old? The cost of building a new track is cheaper than upgrading the existing infrastructure. If I remember correctly that was determined in the feasibility study.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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murchr wrote:Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! yes, plus of more importance is that the current sgr line being laid can accommodate higher speeds than the older one. And higher load capacity Higher speeds yes,load capacity not quite. In general, the narrower the gage the more the restrictions while the broader the gauge the more the capacity. Metre Gauge allows 47 Kg load per metre of rail while Standard Gauge allows 60 Kg load per metre of rail. That's why america changed their gauges from sgr to broad gauge. If thats the case then,why build a new line instead of widening the old? The technology is different from that of 1800s. Plus the old one can/will be used interchangeably. They tried to rehabilitate but wezi wa scrap metal were always plucking making it expensive. Wacha tuone wakiiba concrete. Just a question, where would you widen it in Kibera? You know what? if we get somebody like late michuki kibera is sorted for good!
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Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! yes, plus of more importance is that the current sgr line being laid can accommodate higher speeds than the older one. And higher load capacity Higher speeds yes,load capacity not quite. In general, the narrower the gage the more the restrictions while the broader the gauge the more the capacity. Metre Gauge allows 47 Kg load per metre of rail while Standard Gauge allows 60 Kg load per metre of rail. That's why america changed their gauges from sgr to broad gauge. If thats the case then,why build a new line instead of widening the old? The technology is different from that of 1800s. Plus the old one can/will be used interchangeably. They tried to rehabilitate but wezi wa scrap metal were always plucking making it expensive. Wacha tuone wakiiba concrete. Just a question, where would you widen it in Kibera? You know what? if we get somebody like late michuki kibera is sorted for good! One of the biggest problems with the old line is the speed it can accommodate, too many sharp corners and slopes, in the 1800's 30-40 kph was high speed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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A decent read, clearing myths about load, speed etc. http://www.economist.com...src=scn/tw_ec/puffed_outBusiness opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:Taurrus wrote:murchr wrote:kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Taurrus wrote:Been wondering the difference between the old and SGR lines,to my surprise its ONLY the width, damn! yes, plus of more importance is that the current sgr line being laid can accommodate higher speeds than the older one. And higher load capacity Higher speeds yes,load capacity not quite. In general, the narrower the gage the more the restrictions while the broader the gauge the more the capacity. Metre Gauge allows 47 Kg load per metre of rail while Standard Gauge allows 60 Kg load per metre of rail. That's why america changed their gauges from sgr to broad gauge. If thats the case then,why build a new line instead of widening the old? The technology is different from that of 1800s. Plus the old one can/will be used interchangeably. They tried to rehabilitate but wezi wa scrap metal were always plucking making it expensive. Wacha tuone wakiiba concrete. Just a question, where would you widen it in Kibera? You know what? if we get somebody like late michuki kibera is sorted for good! One of the biggest problems with the old line is the speed it can accommodate, too many sharp corners and slopes, in the 1800's 30-40 kph was high speed. Point on! 60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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This is rubbish, including the last 3 articles they've posted "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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You know what? if we get somebody like late michuki kibera is sorted for good! [/quote]
How come no CS says i will copy Michuki? seems this guy is still remembered by many in Kenya today.
"Kaba gukua ngumo iture"
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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kiash wrote:You know what? if we get somebody like late michuki kibera is sorted for good!
How come no CS says i will copy Michuki? seems this guy is still remembered by many in Kenya today. "Kaba gukua ngumo iture"[/quote] Can't evev recognize one in a mat!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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murchr wrote:This is rubbish, including the last 3 articles they've posted Have shared the article with a retired KR engineer and he says the article is credible though imeongezwa chumvi kidogo. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:This is rubbish, including the last 3 articles they've posted Have shared the article with a retired KR engineer and he says the article is credible though imeongezwa chumvi kidogo. He is retired Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. I think if you look at the project as a whole, it has been of some benefit, employment provided, opening up areas that were closed up, would not be surprised to see a few new commercial areas cropping up along the new line. One also has to look at the funding, it was only 5% funded by the gok, the rest is a loan from china.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. Exporters and importers are very quiet. No one is pushing the government to expedite completion of the project. Seriously,who are real beneficiaries of SGR? Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. Exporters and importers are very quiet. No one is pushing the government to expedite completion of the project. Seriously,who are real beneficiaries of SGR? Tenderprenuers especially jamaa wa mkono amejipanga Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2009 Posts: 201
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I remember when Thika road was being done still some analyst said it does not offer value for money. and there was thatthread in Wazua. In our personal lives if u opt to put up a residential house pple will tell you that you should have done an apartment if you put up an apartment pple will say you should have started with a residential hse(home) in short pple will criticise when you do something whether correct or wrong. Pple will only be quite if you do nothing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. If SGR is successful, impact will be immediate and visible: far fewer trucks on the road. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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kaka2za wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Will only have visible impact if it transform road transport. Cargo transport's impact will not be visible since many people rarely care how goods are moved. Exporters and importers are very quiet. No one is pushing the government to expedite completion of the project.Seriously,who are real beneficiaries of SGR? Because the project is on course and will be completed before the due date. The real beneficiaries of SGR are the local mwananchi since cost of imported goods will go down. Meaning your kimbo (palm oil), sugar, beer (hops&barley), cement (clinker), rice etc will be cheaper. Tea, coffee, macadamia etc farmers and exporters will earn more due to reduces export cost. Road accidents and road wear and tear will be reduced, and corruption and time wastage will go down since gridlocks at mariakani and other weigh bridges will go down. Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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