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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:even a heartless beast would pity baba, just looking at his face and walking style you definitely see an honest man, a good man, a man who if given a chance would turn the country around. Not many men his age would sit on the tarmac and take in all that tear gas, add to that being caned mbele ya umati, all that for the love of the country, of course apart from besigye (not sure how old besigye is), but the latter has taken the love of his country to a new level. very sad that few listen to him, no wonder he compares himself to Jesus. baba for PORK
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:
On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: Colleagues: The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided. I am told there are applications and appeals already filed. I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions. I will deal with the applications as a single judge. -- Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya
Judge Njoki's reply
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:
CJ,
I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.
As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.
Sincerely,
Njoki
Mutunga reply On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us! I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation? I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!
From: Njoki Ndungu
Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT
To: Willy Mutunga
Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala
Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA
With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:
1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)
2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.
3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.
4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.
5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.
5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.
6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?
Njoki.SCJ.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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muganda wrote:Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:
On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: Colleagues: The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided. I am told there are applications and appeals already filed. I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions. I will deal with the applications as a single judge. -- Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya
Judge Njoki's reply
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:
CJ,
I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.
As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.
Sincerely,
Njoki
Mutunga reply On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us! I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation? I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!
From: Njoki Ndungu
Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT
To: Willy Mutunga
Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala
Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA
With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:
1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)
2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.
3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.
4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.
5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.
5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.
6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?
Njoki.SCJ.
Thank God you are alive So between Mutunga and Njoki who leaked the emails? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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Supremesinema continues....stay tuned But seriously huyo Cucu hajapata pesa ya kutosha? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Ngogoyo wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:even a heartless beast would pity baba, just looking at his face and walking style you definitely see an honest man, a good man, a man who if given a chance would turn the country around. Not many men his age would sit on the tarmac and take in all that tear gas, add to that being caned mbele ya umati, all that for the love of the country, of course apart from besigye (not sure how old besigye is), but the latter has taken the love of his country to a new level. very sad that few listen to him, no wonder he compares himself to Jesus. baba for PORK no no no, its baba 4 pork
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Issues kibao! Rawal running rings around the court, Tunoi smearing mud all over, Njoki throwing tanrums, Jubilee pulling strings from behind etc! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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Didn't know some people were stooges in this court!!! KENYA  Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Othelo wrote:Didn't know some people were stooges in this court!!! KENYA You mean Njoki! Tend to agree too. In that email convo comes out as too headstrong in attitude and of preemptive stance! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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From the mail leak, am I the only one who see's more sense from the lady justice, ama my biopic goggles are firmly set.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Swenani wrote:muganda wrote:Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:
On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: Colleagues: The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided. I am told there are applications and appeals already filed. I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions. I will deal with the applications as a single judge. -- Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya
Judge Njoki's reply
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:
CJ,
I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.
As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.
Sincerely,
Njoki
Mutunga reply On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote: I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us! I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation? I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!
From: Njoki Ndungu
Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT
To: Willy Mutunga
Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala
Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA
With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:
1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)
2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.
3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.
4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.
5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.
5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.
6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?
Njoki.SCJ.
Thank God you are alive So between Mutunga and Njoki who leaked the emails? Any of the copied individuals could have leaked it "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:From the mail leak, am I the only one who see's more sense from the lady justice, ama my biopic goggles are firmly set. Am with you on this, the CJ was not around so someone had to hear the submissions. All in all, Rawal and Tonui need to go Mutunga “I hereby invoke my administrative powers as the Chief Justice and the President of the Supreme Court to fast track the hearing of the application,”
“The Chief Justice has no legal power or authority to single handedly vary an order issued by a judge of the Supreme Court under Section 24(i) of the Supreme Court Act,” Mrs Rawal said.We have not seen the end of this drama "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:From the mail leak, am I the only one who see's more sense from the lady justice, ama my biopic goggles are firmly set. Am with you on this, the CJ was not around so someone had to hear the submissions. All in all, Rawal and Tonui need to go Mutunga “I hereby invoke my administrative powers as the Chief Justice and the President of the Supreme Court to fast track the hearing of the application,”
“The Chief Justice has no legal power or authority to single handedly vary an order issued by a judge of the Supreme Court under Section 24(i) of the Supreme Court Act,” Mrs Rawal said.We have not seen the end of this drama I disagree. ..she was too fast to issue interim orders after certifying the matter as urgent. .but arranges for a hearing about a month later with no sense of urgency. Coincidence? Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Now i agree with our in-house senior legal counsel  @maka that this thing about stay orders were pre-arranged!!!! Kenya Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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In my opinion Mutunga is not a good manager/ team leader Njoki did her collegues a big favour! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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kaka2za wrote:In my opinion
Mutunga is not a good manager/ team leader
Njoki did her collegues a big favour! I agree, he doesn't pick NN calls. I care!
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