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Co-operative Bank fate.. discuss
alotoftalk
#421 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:58:17 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
The Ethiopian Birr is tightly controlled thus the parallel rate is much higher like the South Sudanese Pound was but not as bad. We saw how the profits and investment of KCB and Equity was severely diminished when the SSP was floated.

So anyone investing in Ethiopia by taking money INTO Ethiopia needs to write-down part of the investment since you get a lousy low rate for the Birr. Repatriating profits is very difficult so one cannot assume there will be cashflow from the investment. It is locked in Ethiopia.


This is also further complicated by the fact that you have to obtain approval to repatriate profits i.e to buy dollars the NBE has to give you a permit.

The ET government also changes their fixed FX rate at will similar to the 20% devaluation in 2010. There are also plans to devalue it in the near future due to high inflation rates.

Their application to join WTO is pegged on a floating currency and opening up the economy so this may change.
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VituVingiSana
#422 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:05:44 AM
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alotoftalk wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
The Ethiopian Birr is tightly controlled thus the parallel rate is much higher like the South Sudanese Pound was but not as bad. We saw how the profits and investment of KCB and Equity was severely diminished when the SSP was floated.

So anyone investing in Ethiopia by taking money INTO Ethiopia needs to write-down part of the investment since you get a lousy low rate for the Birr. Repatriating profits is very difficult so one cannot assume there will be cashflow from the investment. It is locked in Ethiopia.


This is also further complicated by the fact that you have to obtain approval to repatriate profits i.e to buy dollars the NBE has to give you a permit.

The ET government also changes their fixed FX rate at will similar to the 20% devaluation in 2010. There are also plans to devalue it in the near future due to high inflation rates.

Their application to join WTO is pegged on a floating currency and opening up the economy so this may change.


So until the Birr is floated the risk of a devaluation remains. Let's take KK as an example. Their assets would be worth substantially less than on their books.
[Though KK does not revalue their fixed assets in Ethiopia so there will not be a substantial loss in real terms BUT the value of the Birr cash/bonds will have to adjusted downwards in KES]. Furthermore the 'profits' that KK makes in Ethiopia will be substantially lower in KES [as the profits are made in a depreciating Birr].

If the Birr is allowed to float (& repatriation allowed) then the likes of KK will eventually benefit from their investments in Ethiopia.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mkate_nusu
#423 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:53:16 PM
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share price taking a serious beating from book closure after effects
KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
mlennyma
#424 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:10:35 PM
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mkate_nusu wrote:
share price taking a serious beating from book closure after effects

this stock is among the poor nse performers compared to its potential
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
kediveKed
#425 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:29:10 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas.
You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits.
They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them.
The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi.
The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there.


Ati you dont grow profits by cost-cutting? Go tell that to Mckinsey at Delta corner towers.
Ericsson
#426 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:36:48 PM
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Coop has seriously underperformed since its listing in 2009 @9.50
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Realtreaty
#427 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:46:14 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Coop has seriously underperformed since its listing in 2009 @9.50

Sad Are you sure?
Ericsson
#428 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:54:07 PM
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yes
Dividend has been low apart from this year and share price not impressive
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
enyands
#429 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:18:49 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
share price taking a serious beating from book closure after effects

this stock is among the poor nse performers compared to its potential


I talked about it once . Whereas the likes of equity ,kcb and even nbk reached a peak of past 40, 60 and even 150. But this stock has never rallied past 26 or something . Someone will boast of bonus they gave recently but the other pundits in the same business have given bonuses and rallied to over 100, meanwhile coop is struggling with below 20. It's one of the dead stocks.
I still route for regime change in this bank if good things need to happen . These old ideas from old board members need to be shelved . That's how the stock will Start to rally .
enyands
#430 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:21:51 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Coop has seriously underperformed since its listing in 2009 @9.50



Listing was done in 2008 when I was still with them. We were coerced/slightly forced into buying them because of potential serious undersubscription.
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