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Co-operative Bank fate.. discuss
Ericsson
#411 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2016 6:09:52 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas.
You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits.
They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them.
The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi.
The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
enyands
#412 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2016 7:50:16 PM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
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Location: kenya
Ericsson wrote:
Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas.
You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits.
They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them.
The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi.
The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there.


This is desperate move .total desperate . As equity is coming with ideas of growing profits through advance technology like Equitel these guys are working on cost cutting through stationery. Honestly I call this foolish honesty.


Definately there is a problem with management way of thing. Once done with this what cost cutting will they do next . Remember last year cost cutting was reduce the number of staff,this year it's stationery ,next year it will be reducing the number of computers .

What this bank needs is ideas not events.
Realtreaty
#413 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2016 11:08:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 8/16/2011
Posts: 2,386
Ericsson wrote:
Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas.
You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits.
They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them.
The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi.
The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there.

Shame on you Liar d'oh!
@ Ericsson, please revise your high school notes. What are profits to you? Its mere simple as 1,2,3
Profit is what remains after expenses, period. The Higher the expenses the lower the profits at fixed Assets.
I won't say more.

enyands
#414 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2016 11:46:06 PM
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Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
Realtreaty wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Chair and Vice Chairman are puppets.The MD lacks new ideas.
You don't grow profits by cost-cutting and then coming to post nonsense news eti reduction in stationery costs contributed to growth in profits.
They need to grow profits via growth in loan book.The bank has never been aggressive in loaning to the retail segment of the population but have been too reliant on SACCOs whose business is now diminishing.Their interest rate to the retail segment is too high compared to its peers and their loan approval process chases away potential customers instead of attracting them.
The good home mortgage business started about 6 years ago hasn't had an impact in the mkt and don't even know their mkt share ni ngapi.
The entry to Ethiopia is just PR;they haven't got the approval from Ethiopia govt to start business.Multinational banks and finance institutions are still barred from engaging in commercial business there.

Shame on you Liar d'oh!
@ Ericsson, please revise your high school notes. What are profits to you? Its mere simple as 1,2,3
Profit is what remains after expenses, period. The Higher the expenses the lower the profits at fixed Assets.
I won't say more.




@RealTreaty we know how expenses eat into PL. Ericson wanted to know of these guys have another ideas for growing profits like come up with new technology "cooptel" that can rival equitel. I think I just gave them a hint for free .."cooptel "
Ericsson
#415 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2016 11:57:41 PM
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Location: NAIROBI
@Realtreaty
Information is in the detail.Enyands has clarified what my statement meant.
Going forward take time to read keenly and understand the statement before commenting.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
alotoftalk
#416 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:13:06 AM
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Joined: 8/27/2015
Posts: 138
Location: Harare
Realtreaty wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
We are even moving out to Ethiopia to catch another 20 Million or so customers
http://www.businessdailyafrica....28/-/ardva4/-/index.html

Applause Applause smile


This idea that Kenyan banks will walk into Ethiopia and magically start minting profits is one of the biggest fallacies. They'll have to consider all the following which don't bode well for profit:

1. Minimum paid up capital required of KES 2 Billion; while the KE banks don't have sufficient capital as it is they'll need atleast KES 15 Billion to ably compete with the biggest ET banks.

2. 18 other commercial banks already existing in the country with CBE, the government controlled bank controlling ~70% of the market.

3. The language barrier - setting up a greenfield retail banking operation will be almost impossible because Amharic is the working language.

4. The policy and regulatory environment is very different from that in KE e.g. requirement that banks buy zero coupon government infrastructure bonds, no floating forex, to reptriate profits you have to get approval of the NBE etc

5. The financial reporting, taxation reporting etc are much different in ET so the profits and ROE they currently see in ET banks maybe much lower in IFRS terms.

The bright side is that there is room on the technological side that can be exploited. ET banks are still in the age of brick and mortar mostly.
Investment philosophy development in progress...
Realtreaty
#417 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:32:17 AM
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Joined: 8/16/2011
Posts: 2,386
Ericsson wrote:
@Realtreaty
Information is in the detail.Enyands has clarified what my statement meant.
Going forward take time to read keenly and understand the statement before commenting.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Never try to copy in business. Never shave for mere seeing others shaved. Coop I tell you is more diversified through Coop saccos, agri-business, transport industries and is doing great. Coop we know used its Money gram to transfer money worldwide ages before Equity was born. Equity is a kid grown big with fast foods but still look healthy.d'oh! We know Barclays and Coop have massive land reserves in Kenya as fixed assets. Check on other or what Coop is involved in. They are already in Mobile banking through Co-op Money. smile
enyands
#418 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:07:46 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@Realtreaty
Information is in the detail.Enyands has clarified what my statement meant.
Going forward take time to read keenly and understand the statement before commenting.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Never try to copy in business. Never shave for mere seeing others shaved. Coop I tell you is more diversified through Coop saccos, agri-business, transport industries and is doing great. Coop we know used its Money gram to transfer money worldwide ages before Equity was born. Equity is a kid grown big with fast foods but still look healthy.d'oh! We know Barclays and Coop have massive land reserves in Kenya as fixed assets. Check on other or what Coop is involved in. They are already in Mobile banking through Co-op Money. smile



Do you know that saccos have been given licenses to operate like banks like lending each other ? This is a huge threat for coop bank core business structure-saccos
VituVingiSana
#419 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:24:03 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
alotoftalk wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
We are even moving out to Ethiopia to catch another 20 Million or so customers
http://www.businessdailyafrica....28/-/ardva4/-/index.html

Applause Applause smile


This idea that Kenyan banks will walk into Ethiopia and magically start minting profits is one of the biggest fallacies. They'll have to consider all the following which don't bode well for profit:

1. Minimum paid up capital required of KES 2 Billion; while the KE banks don't have sufficient capital as it is they'll need atleast KES 15 Billion to ably compete with the biggest ET banks.

2. 18 other commercial banks already existing in the country with CBE, the government controlled bank controlling ~70% of the market.

3. The language barrier - setting up a greenfield retail banking operation will be almost impossible because Amharic is the working language.

4. The policy and regulatory environment is very different from that in KE e.g. requirement that banks buy zero coupon government infrastructure bonds, no floating forex, to reptriate profits you have to get approval of the NBE etc

5. The financial reporting, taxation reporting etc are much different in ET so the profits and ROE they currently see in ET banks maybe much lower in IFRS terms.

The bright side is that there is room on the technological side that can be exploited. ET banks are still in the age of brick and mortar mostly.


Any Kenyan bank entering Ethiopia has to plan to lose money for a few years. Plus the single Ethiopian Telecom Company is 100% government owned so they have ZERO incentive to be innovative. There is no chance of an Equitel or Mobile Money like product that provides competition to Ethioptel or government banks.

All businesses are expected to place a certain minimum % of funds in zero or low-yielding Ethiopian government bonds. These bonds do not even earn enough to cover costs of acquiring the deposits.

Even KenolKobil has to place money in these bonds which earn a sub-par return. KK Ethiopia has not paid KK Kenya a dividend in years.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#420 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:58:46 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
The Ethiopian Birr is tightly controlled thus the parallel rate is much higher like the South Sudanese Pound was but not as bad. We saw how the profits and investment of KCB and Equity was severely diminished when the SSP was floated.

So anyone investing in Ethiopia by taking money INTO Ethiopia needs to write-down part of the investment since you get a lousy low rate for the Birr. Repatriating profits is very difficult so one cannot assume there will be cashflow from the investment. It is locked in Ethiopia.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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