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Chamas Don't Work
enyands
#1 Posted : Monday, January 01, 2001 9:18:07 AM
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maka wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
This things dont work.
Ours failed.Case study of a successful one?


Am in one and it is growing steadily...10 good friends...we meet every quarter on a rotational basis with one guy hosting,contribution is 5k per month we have been together for 3 years now...all the cash is sent to the treasurer end month( before the 5th) and banked collectively...Max loan you can take is 100k payable in 3months,reducing balance....@10%...you need two guys to guarantee you for you to take a loan...Every quarter we buy long ended bonds...the 30 year (SDB with a return of net 10.8%,maturing in 2041) or the 20 year bonds are the most preffered...in the course of this year we are looking at each member doing a cash injection to boost reserves...They work depending on what you guys have in mind...The hardest thing is deciding collectively what to do with the cash after some time and i think thats why most chamas/investment clubs collapse...


Unless you do interviews is hard to know if a member is stubborn or constructive. Most friends are good till when money is involved.@maka yours sounds like a sacco though "friends sacco"

If well utilized chama are good but problem is dealing with humans. That's why major saccos are successful because there is no personal friendship involved, it's just business. Kudos to yours maka.yours should be a case study.

enyands
#2 Posted : Monday, January 01, 2001 9:21:22 AM
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Joined: 12/25/2014
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maka wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
This things dont work.
Ours failed.Case study of a successful one?


Am in one and it is growing steadily...10 good friends...we meet every quarter on a rotational basis with one guy hosting,contribution is 5k per month we have been together for 3 years now...all the cash is sent to the treasurer end month( before the 5th) and banked collectively...Max loan you can take is 100k payable in 3months,reducing balance....@10%...you need two guys to guarantee you for you to take a loan...Every quarter we buy long ended bonds...the 30 year (SDB with a return of net 10.8%,maturing in 2041) or the 20 year bonds are the most preffered...in the course of this year we are looking at each member doing a cash injection to boost reserves...They work depending on what you guys have in mind...The hardest thing is deciding collectively what to do with the cash after some time and i think thats why most chamas/investment clubs collapse...


That's the key. Applause
enyands
#3 Posted : Monday, January 01, 2001 9:27:01 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/25/2014
Posts: 2,301
Location: kenya
maka wrote:
wazuaguest wrote:
This things dont work.
Ours failed.Case study of a successful one?


Am in one and it is growing steadily...10 good friends...we meet every quarter on a rotational basis with one guy hosting,contribution is 5k per month we have been together for 3 years now...all the cash is sent to the treasurer end month( before the 5th) and banked collectively...Max loan you can take is 100k payable in 3months,reducing balance....@10%...you need two guys to guarantee you for you to take a loan...Every quarter we buy long ended bonds...the 30 year (SDB with a return of net 10.8%,maturing in 2041) or the 20 year bonds are the most preffered...in the course of this year we are looking at each member doing a cash injection to boost reserves...They work depending on what you guys have in mind...The hardest thing is deciding collectively what to do with the cash after some time and i think thats why most chamas/investment clubs collapse...


That's the key. Applause .most guys will agree when starting. everyone is loyal, committed, and big ideas oriented. As time goes by and money grows big,then members forget what united them in the beginning. Then there creeps in fitina, witch hunting, greed and mistrust. Then politics takes control. Unless it's small and has a clear defined roles like hii chama ni ya buying housing utensils nothing else then it's a success but if it's to venture into a risk taking venture then it will flop miserably .....if members don't understand what risky ventures are!!!

Lolest!
#4 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 3:57:22 PM
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Location: Kianjokoma
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I’ve been around too many Chamas to beat around the bush anymore. You may be attached to your Chama. Have great plans for it. You may even have started out with the best intentions. To be the next Centum or various other examples that people constantly use. But go out and talk to people who are in Chamas. Listen to the frustration. Listen to the discontent. Sometimes you will even hear squabbles between members. So many people are in Chamas but many are facing the issues I have just mentioned. Say a company came out with a new phone. Then out of the 10 models produced, eight did not work. It would then be fair to say that the phone doesn’t work. Hence why I am saying Chamas don’t work. Most people especially in modern day middle class Chamas are not wealthy because of that investment group that was started 5,10, 15 years ago. Most people are simply “hoping” that at some point something will happen to make their investment group become the next big thing. But sadly they keep doing the very same things that ensure that the Chama will not work. So at best it will be a savings scheme. Your Chama firstly will not work because you think like a Chama as opposed to a business. There was obviously something done different with the two phones that worked, right? Hence the few investment groups that do work are doing something different and it starts with how they see themselves. Are you in business or are you social? It’s amazing how in their everyday jobs people may be in charge of making money for others.

http://www.centonomy.com/chamas-dont-work/
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murchr
#5 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 5:35:10 PM
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Ofcourse they won't work if all you do is beat around the bush.....next!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kayhara
#6 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 5:42:38 PM
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Gospel,I refused to join many guys still there contributing 5k to give to one guy.
To Each His Own
streetwise
#7 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 5:50:30 PM
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Are you aware that most of the great corporates in the world were once Chama’s.

Yes 95% of start-ups will fail and when you look at the hip you get very scared but always remember the world economies are driven by the 5% that succeeded in the past.
murchr
#8 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 5:52:50 PM
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kayhara wrote:
Gospel,I refused to join many guys still there contributing 5k to give to one guy.


Why? No agenda? No common goals, No memo of understanding? No group account/ registration?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Chaka
#9 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 9:24:51 PM
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Joined: 2/16/2007
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Whats the definition of a chama?Is it just a merry-goround?
mugo2of3
#10 Posted : Monday, February 22, 2016 9:40:22 PM
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Joined: 5/22/2014
Posts: 78
'Chamas Don't Work'

that's a very generic statement, groups with strategies that are either wrong or those that fail to work do not represent all Chamas
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