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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Men in Bleck aborted ODM polls. Upinzani looked bad. After that, a guy went majuu,returned with 'Baba While You Were Away' and rallies demanding for dialogue. Donno how they fizzled out Juzi it was intra CORD fights over some MOU. To unite them keep them busy with weekly fights against the common enemy Tusahau shida zetu tupigane na adui Give it up to the genius
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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This nonsense should stop, otherwise I'm not sure if we need to go to election anymore cos the outcome may make 2007 look like Christmas party. Let's reason together if we still want to live as one country. Kenya is now more divided than ever. punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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newfarer wrote:This nonsense should stop, otherwise I not sure if we need to go to election anymore cos the outcome may make 2007 look like Christmas party. Let's reason together if we still want to live as one country.
Kenya is now more divided than ever. Thank God we still have a few people who can still reason. I have been following the online duels between those pro and those against the demos. I think it's a lie to still say we are a country. The saddest thing is that Kenyans from two specific tribes are celebrating the police killings. Between 1st and 30th jan 2007, police killed over 300 kales. No community has suffered more police brutality than kiuks. But today, they are happy with the police work. "ruri itara ruthekagirira ruri riko" God have mercy on your foolish people of Kenya. Only you know why you created them this thick.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Jubilee stands to gain from these protests. Why? If they plead the Constitution against cord most voters who've doubted cord will be motivated to stick with jubilee. Plus, a small incidence can spur even a state of emergency and a clinging to power.
Cord gains by discrediting the electoral process and pulling both sides to the streets. Tension. Stalemate. Nusu mkate.
The longer it takes to replace the commissioners the less prepared the IEBC gets and the easier it is for both sides to steal votes and distort results.
These protests will end when at least one side wins or loses convincingly, or a draw is declared. Before that they will go on no matter what Wanjiku says. After all gazeti and TV are what supply her opinions.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/22/2014 Posts: 321 Location: Ndeiya
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Meanwhile, busy business day at Muranga, Nyandarwa, Nyeri, Kirinyaga, Embu, Machaks, Kitui, Mwingi, North E, Kajiado, etc.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:Jubilee is so hypocritical. They say that the only way to remove IEBC officials is constitutional. That they must follow the constitution. Question, why was the gender bill not passed? Is it not a constitutional requirement? Jubilee has majority, enough to pass. Bunch of hypocrites (with exception of those who voted for the fee bill). The gender bill is still in parliament <-The body mandated to debate these issues and make laws -> Now who elects those people in parliament? If your elected member is not serving your interests, it is your DEMOCRATIC right to elect him out. The male MPs (both Cord and Jubilee) came together to kill the bill even with Uhuru's plea to them to pass the law. Why have we not seen you demonstrating about the gender bill? The reality is these protests are being used as a way to remain in the news. Is this not an effort to enlighten readers of the very subject that you are accusing me of not protesting about? Protesting is not the only way to deal with matters. Ungesoma gazetti then you'd know Quote:President Uhuru Kenyatta has urged Members of Parliament to pass the Gender Rule Bill seeking to amend the Constitution to allow for nomination of more women to Parliament to meet the two-thirds gender rule threshold.
The President says the Bill will empower the government to take legislative measures to realise the two-thirds principle and also secure gender equity in government. Quote:A Bill to entrench two-thirds gender rule was on Thursday rejected by MPs despite spirited lobbying by women parliamentarians.
The legislators for a second time went against pleas by ODM and TNA chairmen John Mbadi and Johnson Sakaja respectively to have the laws passed.
The bill was supported by a paltry 178 members, far below the required 233 votes.
Out of the 180 MPs present, 16 voted against the bill while five did not vote.
The House has 349 members and as many as 150 did not show up or rather did not vote. Quote:John Njoroge (Kasarani) said he boycotted the vote as the bill gave room for people to nominate their ‘girlfriends’ to the House.
“This House is already bloated. This is another way of giving people’s girlfriends free tickets. Women should fight on an equal footing with men,” he said.
“We already have women in the House and their performance is below par. We do not have to fill the numbers in the House. Kenyans are entitled to quality representation,” said Deputy Minority Leader Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem). “We already have a big problem in the House on huge numbers. Rather than increasing the numbers, we should be talking about cutting the parliamentary seats. We are over represented and even those currently in parliament hardly get time to contribute in the House,” said Alfred Keter (Nandi Hills). Women MPs expressed disappointment that the bill had failed.
Soma gazetti wachana na gumzo za tweets za Alai Just need to get where my post contradicts the quotes from the papers that you've posted. I (and I'm sure others) just need integrity from Jubilee. Don't you get it. Its upto MPs to decide, not street protests. The powers are clearly stated in chapter 15. Anything else is a circus. The reason your MP is in parliament is so that he, with others can debate and come up with resolutions and amendments to the law. You said its jubilee that killed the bill, I told you, its the male MPs who dont want it, from both sides. And they gave their reasons. There are so many other bills that have been passed in parliament. If CORD is genuine, they would have used parliament or the courts to take out these commissioners. But they are trying to give a narrative that not so many are agreeing to By no means am I trying to justify the opposition to NOT go to parliament or the court, it is clear that that is what they should do. Those are fair points, that: - MP's decide, not protests - Male MP's from sides did not vote for it. - Both sides are to blame. I do not disagree, I am just adding another dimension. The question is, should Jubilee get off the hook for claiming to be constitutional, to try to persuade opposition to follow the constitution and go to court or parliament (which I desire that the opposition does), yet not pass a bill that the constitution requires, while having the numbers to pass? Jubilee is playing the constitution card with the opposition, but where was that constitutional spirit during the gender bill? They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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Kratos wrote:D32 wrote:Kaigangio wrote:D32 wrote:Jubilee is so hypocritical. They say that the only way to remove IEBC officials is constitutional. That they must follow the constitution. Question, why was the gender bill not passed? Is it not a constitutional requirement? Jubilee has majority, enough to pass. Bunch of hypocrites (with exception of those who voted for the fee bill). It seems your mind has already been prejudiced by the cord lies against jubilee. The gender bill was being voted by both the political divides. Infact this was going to be a very good opportunity for cord to prove itself as the majority of mpigs in the jubilee were not in the house. The question is where were the cord lawmakers to make the 2/3 a reality? Or did I get everything wtong? It's true that Cord also has a mandate to support the bill, but the fact that Jubilee has majority, and yet they claim to be constitutional, but fail to pass a bill that the constitution requires is worrying. FIY I'm not a Cord. The failure of the Gender bill has more to do with male chauvinism more than anything else. Male Mpigs from both divides ganged up to defeat the bill because they view it as a threat to their own political existence. They put self first, constitution second. Kenya became independent through sacrifice. The implementation of the constitution is for common good. So much for much for being "patriotic". They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:Jubilee is so hypocritical. They say that the only way to remove IEBC officials is constitutional. That they must follow the constitution. Question, why was the gender bill not passed? Is it not a constitutional requirement? Jubilee has majority, enough to pass. Bunch of hypocrites (with exception of those who voted for the fee bill). The gender bill is still in parliament <-The body mandated to debate these issues and make laws -> Now who elects those people in parliament? If your elected member is not serving your interests, it is your DEMOCRATIC right to elect him out. The male MPs (both Cord and Jubilee) came together to kill the bill even with Uhuru's plea to them to pass the law. Why have we not seen you demonstrating about the gender bill? The reality is these protests are being used as a way to remain in the news. Is this not an effort to enlighten readers of the very subject that you are accusing me of not protesting about? Protesting is not the only way to deal with matters. Ungesoma gazetti then you'd know Quote:President Uhuru Kenyatta has urged Members of Parliament to pass the Gender Rule Bill seeking to amend the Constitution to allow for nomination of more women to Parliament to meet the two-thirds gender rule threshold.
The President says the Bill will empower the government to take legislative measures to realise the two-thirds principle and also secure gender equity in government. Quote:A Bill to entrench two-thirds gender rule was on Thursday rejected by MPs despite spirited lobbying by women parliamentarians.
The legislators for a second time went against pleas by ODM and TNA chairmen John Mbadi and Johnson Sakaja respectively to have the laws passed.
The bill was supported by a paltry 178 members, far below the required 233 votes.
Out of the 180 MPs present, 16 voted against the bill while five did not vote.
The House has 349 members and as many as 150 did not show up or rather did not vote. Quote:John Njoroge (Kasarani) said he boycotted the vote as the bill gave room for people to nominate their ‘girlfriends’ to the House.
“This House is already bloated. This is another way of giving people’s girlfriends free tickets. Women should fight on an equal footing with men,” he said.
“We already have women in the House and their performance is below par. We do not have to fill the numbers in the House. Kenyans are entitled to quality representation,” said Deputy Minority Leader Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem). “We already have a big problem in the House on huge numbers. Rather than increasing the numbers, we should be talking about cutting the parliamentary seats. We are over represented and even those currently in parliament hardly get time to contribute in the House,” said Alfred Keter (Nandi Hills). Women MPs expressed disappointment that the bill had failed.
Soma gazetti wachana na gumzo za tweets za Alai Just need to get where my post contradicts the quotes from the papers that you've posted. I (and I'm sure others) just need integrity from Jubilee. Don't you get it. Its upto MPs to decide, not street protests. The powers are clearly stated in chapter 15. Anything else is a circus. The reason your MP is in parliament is so that he, with others can debate and come up with resolutions and amendments to the law. You said its jubilee that killed the bill, I told you, its the male MPs who dont want it, from both sides. And they gave their reasons. There are so many other bills that have been passed in parliament. If CORD is genuine, they would have used parliament or the courts to take out these commissioners. But they are trying to give a narrative that not so many are agreeing to By no means am I trying to justify the opposition to NOT go to parliament or the court, it is clear that that is what they should do. Those are fair points, that: - MP's decide, not protests - Male MP's from sides did not vote for it. - Both sides are to blame. I do not disagree, I am just adding another dimension. The question is, should Jubilee get off the hook for claiming to be constitutional, to try to persuade opposition to follow the constitution and go to court or parliament (which I desire that the opposition does), yet not pass a bill that the constitution requires, while having the numbers to pass? Jubilee is playing the constitution card with the opposition, but where was that constitutional spirit during the gender bill? The constitutional spirit is overtaken by male chauvinism in the gender bill. Note, the bill will still be tabled in parliament again. IF the citizens were serious about upholding the spirit, they would vote in Women MPs then the tables would be turned. Anyway back to IEBC Cord has a problem with the commissioners. Options 1. Go to court and prove these people contravened chapter 6 or in one way or another prove them incompetent (Referendum Signatures) 2. Go to parliament with alleged facts (Chicken gate) present a petition to the National Assembly setting out the alleged facts constituting that ground. 3. The same way as the gender bill some will abstain, others will not show up, others will be against (duale) all in all they should debate and I have a feeling Cordoits would win if they marshal their troops. Then send it to UK to sign. What is wrong with using constitutional processes that these so called leaders created? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:murchr wrote:D32 wrote:Jubilee is so hypocritical. They say that the only way to remove IEBC officials is constitutional. That they must follow the constitution. Question, why was the gender bill not passed? Is it not a constitutional requirement? Jubilee has majority, enough to pass. Bunch of hypocrites (with exception of those who voted for the fee bill). The gender bill is still in parliament <-The body mandated to debate these issues and make laws -> Now who elects those people in parliament? If your elected member is not serving your interests, it is your DEMOCRATIC right to elect him out. The male MPs (both Cord and Jubilee) came together to kill the bill even with Uhuru's plea to them to pass the law. Why have we not seen you demonstrating about the gender bill? The reality is these protests are being used as a way to remain in the news. Is this not an effort to enlighten readers of the very subject that you are accusing me of not protesting about? Protesting is not the only way to deal with matters. Ungesoma gazetti then you'd know Quote:President Uhuru Kenyatta has urged Members of Parliament to pass the Gender Rule Bill seeking to amend the Constitution to allow for nomination of more women to Parliament to meet the two-thirds gender rule threshold.
The President says the Bill will empower the government to take legislative measures to realise the two-thirds principle and also secure gender equity in government. Quote:A Bill to entrench two-thirds gender rule was on Thursday rejected by MPs despite spirited lobbying by women parliamentarians.
The legislators for a second time went against pleas by ODM and TNA chairmen John Mbadi and Johnson Sakaja respectively to have the laws passed.
The bill was supported by a paltry 178 members, far below the required 233 votes.
Out of the 180 MPs present, 16 voted against the bill while five did not vote.
The House has 349 members and as many as 150 did not show up or rather did not vote. Quote:John Njoroge (Kasarani) said he boycotted the vote as the bill gave room for people to nominate their ‘girlfriends’ to the House.
“This House is already bloated. This is another way of giving people’s girlfriends free tickets. Women should fight on an equal footing with men,” he said.
“We already have women in the House and their performance is below par. We do not have to fill the numbers in the House. Kenyans are entitled to quality representation,” said Deputy Minority Leader Jakoyo Midiwo (Gem). “We already have a big problem in the House on huge numbers. Rather than increasing the numbers, we should be talking about cutting the parliamentary seats. We are over represented and even those currently in parliament hardly get time to contribute in the House,” said Alfred Keter (Nandi Hills). Women MPs expressed disappointment that the bill had failed.
Soma gazetti wachana na gumzo za tweets za Alai Just need to get where my post contradicts the quotes from the papers that you've posted. I (and I'm sure others) just need integrity from Jubilee. Don't you get it. Its upto MPs to decide, not street protests. The powers are clearly stated in chapter 15. Anything else is a circus. The reason your MP is in parliament is so that he, with others can debate and come up with resolutions and amendments to the law. You said its jubilee that killed the bill, I told you, its the male MPs who dont want it, from both sides. And they gave their reasons. There are so many other bills that have been passed in parliament. If CORD is genuine, they would have used parliament or the courts to take out these commissioners. But they are trying to give a narrative that not so many are agreeing to By no means am I trying to justify the opposition to NOT go to parliament or the court, it is clear that that is what they should do. Those are fair points, that: - MP's decide, not protests - Male MP's from sides did not vote for it. - Both sides are to blame. I do not disagree, I am just adding another dimension. The question is, should Jubilee get off the hook for claiming to be constitutional, to try to persuade opposition to follow the constitution and go to court or parliament (which I desire that the opposition does), yet not pass a bill that the constitution requires, while having the numbers to pass? Jubilee is playing the constitution card with the opposition, but where was that constitutional spirit during the gender bill? D32 your points are valid and the questions the questions citizens are supposed to ask. As you can see, the common answer is "raira" did or did not. The fact is Jubilee had a chance to show they cared about the constitution. They decided not to....It suited their character. So the easy way to get out of the obvious lie is to say Raira did it. Then the online warriors take over. We are not fools anymore.... Too many people dying in the streets and even in their homes because some leaders have decided that the easiest way to not do their work is to say either Raira did it or Uhuru did it. then pay 2k to their online robots to payuka after that. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Problem: Babu says IEBC must go. How? Forceful eviction. UK indifferent. How? Follow the law.
Brigade: shout a pitch higher, cord IEBC must go street demos galore . Jubilant pitch higher cord won't have their way!
Sober lot thinks: Kenya will burn, cord will tire, nusu mkeka in the offing , kaa ngumu.
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