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keraka
#321 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 10:45:51 AM
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Joined: 2/24/2010
Posts: 637
Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Ngalaka
#322 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 10:46:16 AM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
From rags to riches - the story of "Lord Juma"
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Risasi Sufuri
#323 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 11:13:21 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/8/2015
Posts: 166
keraka wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.


@alma, this thread agreed long time ago...that the investigations be carried out and killers brought to book. But we need to interrogate the life and times of this man from the village who became a millionaire in ten years while @alma with his 50years he is still struggling to make ends meet!!
Swenani
#324 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 11:16:04 AM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
keraka wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.


@alma, this thread agreed long time ago...that the investigations be carried out and killers brought to book. But we need to interrogate the life and times of this man from the village who became a millionaire in ten years while @alma with his 50years he is still struggling to make ends meet!!


Why didn't you interrogate while he was still alive? How are you going to get that info when the source is dead.

Tuache sideshows!
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
alma1
#325 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 11:23:48 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Swenani wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
keraka wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.


@alma, this thread agreed long time ago...that the investigations be carried out and killers brought to book. But we need to interrogate the life and times of this man from the village who became a millionaire in ten years while @alma with his 50years he is still struggling to make ends meet!!


Why didn't you interrogate while he was still alive? How are you going to get that info when the source is dead.

Tuache sideshows!


@Swenani you have hit the nail on the head.

Jacob Juma is dead. Like really dead. Like shot in the head or chest depending on who's report you wanna believe.

Risasi, let's interrogate one person in this government with the same vigor, shall we? Pick one. They are alive so we can actually make a difference.

This is those hashtags that were just created for the sake of sanitizing an evil deed by evil people. (Probably his friends or former friends or those who thought he was tweeting noisily).

If we say he was evil, its easy to turn our eyes away from the evil people still walking around. These fellows are actually watching this thread and wondering who among these fellas is next?

Risasi why don't we interrogate the kind of mental pain the killers of a human being can possibly be going through right now.

That serves the living more than the dead.

But that's just my opinion.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

harrydre
#326 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 1:06:58 PM
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Joined: 7/10/2008
Posts: 9,131
Location: Kanjo
things are not always as they seem to be..who stands to gain most from his death? follow the clues..

Jacob Juma had tried to reach Jakom several times but RAO proved elusive. Jacob had to camp "outside" Raila's gate with no success. At death, Raila is now available, what a development of classic irony.......he could not even pick his calls...




The cold-blooded murder of the controversial businessman was a meticulously planned job involving plotters who were his one-time business partners, bank rollers and hired assassins, highly conversant with summary executions.
i.am.back!!!!
Risasi Sufuri
#327 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 1:27:24 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/8/2015
Posts: 166
alma1 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
keraka wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.


@alma, this thread agreed long time ago...that the investigations be carried out and killers brought to book. But we need to interrogate the life and times of this man from the village who became a millionaire in ten years while @alma with his 50years he is still struggling to make ends meet!!


Why didn't you interrogate while he was still alive? How are you going to get that info when the source is dead.

Tuache sideshows!


@Swenani you have hit the nail on the head.

Jacob Juma is dead. Like really dead. Like shot in the head or chest depending on who's report you wanna believe.

Risasi, let's interrogate one person in this government with the same vigor, shall we? Pick one. They are alive so we can actually make a difference.

This is those hashtags that were just created for the sake of sanitizing an evil deed by evil people. (Probably his friends or former friends or those who thought he was tweeting noisily).

If we say he was evil, its easy to turn our eyes away from the evil people still walking around. These fellows are actually watching this thread and wondering who among these fellas is next?

Risasi why don't we interrogate the kind of mental pain the killers of a human being can possibly be going through right now.

That serves the living more than the dead.

But that's just my opinion.


We have different opinions, you are entitled one, don't influence me into accepting your opinion....You may be right, I could also be right. Investigations, I leave it to the relevant institutions, I'm not an investigator myself!! I mourn JJ and may He fare thee well. However, as a young man with ambitions....I would want to replicate JJ successes by learning how a young man armed with a college certificate (Later he acquired other certificates) would be transformed to be a millionaire in a record time. We learn lessons not from living but also who may unfortunately left us such as Martin Luther King!!
sitaki.kujulikana
#328 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 2:51:42 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2012
Posts: 1,826
koscielny
#329 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 3:02:31 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 2/19/2016
Posts: 31
Location: Kenya
alma1 wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
keraka wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Risasi Sufuri wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
The fault-lines of political divide continue to manifest on this thread.

A few pointers in my view.

JJ was no Angel. It is possible that his less than clean business dealings could have caused his murder.
But again given the mystery surrounding his whole matter, the Police reaction and explanations seem to suggest elimination by persons with higher-up connections.

Obviously, Politicians as is wont of them want to milk this for maximum political advantage.


Reading today's dailies on how JJ (RIP) made his money....one is left to wonder whether he made his money genuinely. Talk of a paradox!! I'm also at loss to believe he had the moral ground to talk leave alone advocate matters corruption.


When two thieves talk, one of them is telling the truth. The issue of if they have authority to speak is a non-issue.

In fact, if you want to carry that as an argument, please don't forget to look at your current political leaders. Do they have the moral authority to talk about corruption and changing Kenyan when they themselves have stolen?

Keep your arguments honest.

The issues is someone killed him. You should be advocating for the killers to be found. Otherwise, you will end up like him. Obviously his killers were also his friends.

So don't think your current friends aren't reading this and decide to off you later when you aren't friends. After all, you support such stuff happening.


Word.


@alma, this thread agreed long time ago...that the investigations be carried out and killers brought to book. But we need to interrogate the life and times of this man from the village who became a millionaire in ten years while @alma with his 50years he is still struggling to make ends meet!!


Why didn't you interrogate while he was still alive? How are you going to get that info when the source is dead.

Tuache sideshows!


@Swenani you have hit the nail on the head.

Jacob Juma is dead. Like really dead. Like shot in the head or chest depending on who's report you wanna believe.

Risasi, let's interrogate one person in this government with the same vigor, shall we? Pick one. They are alive so we can actually make a difference.

This is those hashtags that were just created for the sake of sanitizing an evil deed by evil people. (Probably his friends or former friends or those who thought he was tweeting noisily).

If we say he was evil, its easy to turn our eyes away from the evil people still walking around. These fellows are actually watching this thread and wondering who among these fellas is next?

Risasi why don't we interrogate the kind of mental pain the killers of a human being can possibly be going through right now.

That serves the living more than the dead.

But that's just my opinion.


@alma the emphasis you make on such brutal acts being carried out by business rivals, former or current friends is scary!I know people are different but, i mean, is it ever that serious?? so serious to the point of taking another man's life? I refuse to believe that! Considering all this is vanity and we shall all die, the thought of mere mortals deciding to play God and scheming on how to eliminate another man and actually doing it pains me. Personally, @kabetes and Muchai's executions troubled my soul. Mostly because i still dont understand why someone can do that to another. Is there really any satisfaction to it? I highly doubt. This may sound naive, but does this mean that after his demise someone somewhere is sleeping more comfortably at night? that someones problems on earth are finally over?
I wonder what the contract killers do with the money they are paid. Perhaps they drink it all away as they try to block any flashbacks of their actions. Or perhaps they dont. I just pray that the blood money isnt used to pay school fees for a kid somewhere.Sad
The Best is Yet to Come
mwania
#330 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23:28 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2007
Posts: 76
What happened to "our" Mwawinder? Why has he not yet posted anything to mourn a man appeared to support in all his posts?
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