Fundaah, much as I find your explanation on 'trained health professional' unconvincing, it is a right step in the debate because we now agree that ABORTION IS PERMITTED in the draft.

this abortion thing all boils down or points to one njoki ndungu. and you can quote me on that.

Fundaah, I think we are making progress. To remain within the topic, though, now search (google will do) on the catholic canon laws on abortion and you will find reason for the stand of the Church leaders, at least the catholic ones, on this.

@ Masukuma "and hey on the reasons people abort are social...why are we looking to fix social problems medically?" At this cry a doctor told the clergy.... "If you have failed in your duty to prevent all this ills(read:immorality leading to abortion), can you then please let us deal with the consequences of your failures(salvage the little that has remained)?"

@Fundah, I agree that miscarriages are abortions and consequently add to the over 300k 'abortions' that pro-choice people keep on crying about. my answer to that is that i would have agreed to the recommendation by Martha Karua made in parliament change the term 'Abortion' to 'Termination of pregnancy' but since our cowardly MPigs refused to change anything. we are where we are.
@poundfoolish, The clergy are sign posts to what is right , the choice is yours. If you let the church Christianize this nation and enforce morality as happened during the Spanish inquisition....you would not like it. The Clergy points to Light and Lets you make the choice. if the repercussions of choice affect someone else negatively - you should be made to pay. your rights end where another's begin.
How come we don't have Kadhis courts in Tanganyika? Just because Kenyatta made a mistake...we should not now extend the mistake inland?

@fundaah, weren't you the one trying to 'educate' me that miscarriages are abortions? how does termination have different meanings unless you are authoring your own dictionary.

@pound. And now this Sultan related Kadhi courts which was meant for the coastal strip has spread inwards...case of slow cancer.

[quote= masukuma you are saying is 80% good, any 8 year old found within our borders without traceable parents .[/quote].....
what should happen to such ...in your good opinion..
a)Hanged or
b)burried alive ...
c)deported to hell?

Masukuma
We do not have Kadhi courts in Tangayika coz Zanzibar is Semi Autonomous.. read their(Zanzibar) constitution and you shall find traces of Kadhis courts in there...

@ Willin2learn... Somebody pasted the existing constitution clause with Kadhis courts on this discussion.

food for thought

Historically, Kadhis Courts existed in the East Coast of Africa long before colonization. In Kenya, they existed in the Coast, which at the time of colonization, was under the Sultan of Zanzibar. In 1895, the Sultan gave the British power to administer the 10 mile coastal strip subject to their respecting the existing Kadhis Courts among other conditions. The British did so and declared a protectorate over the coast while the rest of Kenya was a colony proper. The Sultan however retained sovereignty over the 10 mile coastal strip. During the last years of the independence struggle and at the start of the Lancaster House Constitutional talks in 1961, the status and fate of the coastal strip came up for determination. The British organised separate talks for the delegates from the protectorate of the coast and those from the Kenya Colony. The British Government and Sultan of Zanzibar also appointed a Commissioner, Mr. James R. Robertson, to study the issue of the coastal strip, consult all those concerned and report to them. In his report, entitled, "The Kenya Coastal Strip ? Report by the Commissioner", he reported that opinion was divided as to whether the coastal strip should join Kenya, or be declared independent on its own, or reverted back to the Sultan of Zanzibar. He however recommended that it should be joined with Kenya subject to the Kenya Government guaranteeing to respect the existence of the Kadhis Courts among other conditions. The Prime Minister of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta and the Prime Minister of Zanzibar, Mr. Shamte on behalf of the Sultan of Zanzibar, then signed an agreement in October, 1963, in the form of an exchange of letters whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar relinquished/surrendered his claim of sovereignty over the coast to Kenya in return for mzee Kenyatta guaranteeing the continued existence of the Kadhis Courts among other guarantees. When the independence constitution was written, the Kadhis Courts were enshrined under the chapter on Judiciary.

every pot-hole was once a crack...