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Chase Bank loss...another case of cooking the books?
maka
#351 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 3:43:34 PM
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murchr
#352 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 3:57:45 PM
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Othelo wrote:
1. So all those serious shareholders didnot have seats on the Board and Board committees? What have they been presenting to their masters?

2. Opus Dei says they have had this issue since October 2015. How did the Board/Major shareholders allow the Chair and CEO to still present falsified reports for 2015 ...... 6 months down the line.

3. Let Chase bank accept their own weaknsesses and mistakes and learn from it, instead of blaming social media.


Let me try to chew it for you. you = shareholder

Assume you have a kiosk where you have employed someone to run it and then you take audits at the end of the week.
You have allowed your employee to take and give credit as long as its to a certain limit and given time. If your employee takes more than half a bundle of unga, mind you everyone is still buying from you and you are getting more customers, would you immediately know, or this would become visible after you take an audit of books vs inventory?

The directors and management worked together to hide loans given to them from the financials, hence the first set of results. The auditor looked and the books and they were not adding up hence the "qualified opinion" meaning that financial statements are, in a limited way, not in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles.

The auditor has concerns about the company, the valuation of certain items on the balance sheet or some unreported pending liabilities.

At no point did the auditor say the bank was collapsing, infact when the media asked the CBK gov they were told that there was nothing to worry, but no one could trust him, the damage was done and wanjiku ran to withdraw.

No bank in Kenya can survive after experiencing an 8BN withdrawal in hours. Simply because, when you bank your money, its given to someone else as a loan (not liquid)
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#353 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 4:57:28 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
@Murchr Must be an interested party in Chase Bank. Pole brother.

Defending the indefensible. Thieves were caught, next stage is they refund the money & jail them. rest is sideshows!!!

Some people in wazua just like trolling. This is an open and shut case.

Makosa ilifanyika, na lazima ilipiwe!


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Much Know
#354 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:24:33 PM
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Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!
Ras Kienyeji Man
murchr
#355 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:35:54 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!


Why cant you just name one bank that you know has undergone this kind of "stress test". Is that JP Morgue the same bank that imposed withdrawal limits?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Much Know
#356 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:54:36 PM
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murchr wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!


Why cant you just name one bank that you know has undergone this kind of "stress test". Is that JP Morgue the same bank that imposed withdrawal limits?

Sio uwongo bwana, these things are real, if you have never heard of stress tests you see where the problem is. All sensible banks carry stress tests for all this kind of risks!!! Otherwise google!
Ras Kienyeji Man
alma1
#357 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:55:01 PM
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murchr wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!


Why cant you just name one bank that you know has undergone this kind of "stress test". Is that JP Morgue the same bank that imposed withdrawal limits?


He can't name one. Even his Waiguru did not survive a run.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Moibutu
#358 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 5:56:22 PM
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The financial gurus we have in Wazua, please help, going by how much cash chase bank held, somebody who had deposited 3m, how much is he likely to get back?
gk
#359 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 6:08:17 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!


I will take that as a joke!
Those American banks couldnt even have survived the toxic mortgages crisis if it weren't for the Fed rescue plan!
The statutory liquidity ratio is 20%. Why? Banks are supposed to make money from the spread btn lending and deposits rates.. but while depositors (even fixed) can demand their funds anytime, no bank has similar power over borrowers. But if withdrawals are done gradually, its possible to match such obligations frm loan repaymnts or other sources. There's no serious biz or individual with 100% liquidity....
Much Know
#360 Posted : Saturday, April 09, 2016 6:34:54 PM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Just to correct this bullshit idea being sold here that "no bank can withstand a run", hio ni ujinga ya 19th century. A modern bank should be able to withstand run, and often carries out tests on it's own called "stress tests", these are simple tests that can be carried out by any serious banker and central bank (it is apparently what they are doing now). Those who were keen during the 2008 financial crisis will remember banks like JP Morgan emphasizing they are ready for a run. There are credit risk analysis, liquidity analysis etc to ensure in any case you can quickly convert some assets to cover "mass withdrawas", lakini kama umeweka pesa Panama ama in speculatory burotis and apartments in Nairobi shauri yako. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH social media can bring down a bank! CBK governor ongeza stress!!!!


Why cant you just name one bank that you know has undergone this kind of "stress test". Is that JP Morgue the same bank that imposed withdrawal limits?


He can't name one. Even his Waiguru did not survive a run.

Ziko zimefanya hii Kenya for sure!!! And they can't collapse! Hata social media iseme aje!
Ras Kienyeji Man
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